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| JS Newbie United States Joined 6465 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 1 of 20 25 March 2007 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm just starting to watch and listen to French dubs of my favorite American films to improve my listening and vocabulary (a la Nerdshift and this thread). As noted in the Nerdshift page, most of the subtitles are not close to what is actually said.
Before I give up on subtitles altogether, can anyone recommend popular American films that have good French dubs and accurate French subtitles? Thanks! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Linguamor Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6620 days ago 469 posts - 599 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 2 of 20 26 March 2007 at 1:34am | IP Logged | ||
When movies are dubbed and subtitled, the translator working on the dubbing and the translator working on the subtitling are working under different constraints. The translator working on the dubbing is working under the constraint of matching the dubbed dialogue to the movements of the actors' lips, and to the beginning and stopping of the actors' lines. The translator doing the translation for the subtitles is working under the constraint of fitting the subtitles into the space provided for the subtitles. These different constraints, together with the fact that different translators will often arrive at different solutions when deciding how to translate something, are the reason that the dubbed dialogue and the subtitles do not match. Edited by Linguamor on 26 March 2007 at 1:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6540 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English* | Message 3 of 20 26 March 2007 at 3:18am | IP Logged | ||
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I found that English subtitles/dialog are more accurate than any other language available. Or maybe this applies to every language with the film being made in its native country? Just recently I watched 2 seasons of Stargate Atlantis with subtitles and I found only a few minor differences.
I'm not about to buy a PAL TV/DVD system anytime soon. I know that HD-DVD are region-free. Perhaps when the HD-DVD players come down in price I will be able to buy a few titles in the native packaging, thus getting an accurate subtitle/dialog. Examining the dialog of a movie would certainly be more enjoyable than reading a 700 page classic, unless of course, you enjoy reading 700 page classics. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Linguamor Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6620 days ago 469 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 4 of 20 26 March 2007 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | ||
When there is no translation involved, i.e. when a movie is captioned for the hearing impaired, the "subtitles" are a transcription of the dialogue. Edited by Linguamor on 26 March 2007 at 12:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Kugel Senior Member United States Joined 6540 days ago 497 posts - 555 votes Speaks: English* | Message 5 of 20 26 March 2007 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Would this apply to American made films that are dubbed for Germans? If so, I would love to get my hands on the seasons of the Simpsons and Seinfeld. I guess the only thing holding me back would be HDDVD being the only format that is region-free.
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| Linguamor Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6620 days ago 469 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 6 of 20 26 March 2007 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | ||
The dubbed German dialogue and the German subtitles will not match for the reasons explained above. Edited by Linguamor on 26 March 2007 at 12:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6945 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 7 of 20 26 March 2007 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
There are very inexpensive DVD players with built-in PAL-to-NTSC converters, which can be made region-free with a few remote control clicks. Here is one such player, and you will find the needed instructions here and among Amazon revewer comments and discussions. (Here is a more recent option from Phillips: link1, link2 - I don't believe one needs the more expensive one, but check www.videohelp.com and reviewer comments on Amazon). As far as I know, such players are entirely legal, they are just not always advertized - if nothing else, I find it hard to believe Amazon would be openly selling such products if they weren't legal. Here are two legitimate online stores specializing in such gear, if you prefere that route: http://www.220giftcenter.com/, www.220-electronics.com. They also change chipsets on some fancier DVD players. P.S. I thought that they had recently decided to add regional encoding to HDDVD. Am I mistaken? Edited by frenkeld on 26 March 2007 at 4:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Linguamor Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6620 days ago 469 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 8 of 20 27 March 2007 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | ||
Region-specific DVD players and region-encoded DVD discs are simply part of a marketing strategy. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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