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| BartoG Diglot Senior Member United States confession Joined 5448 days ago 292 posts - 818 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Italian, Spanish, Latin, Uzbek | Message 9 of 56 13 February 2010 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | ||
Uzbek: Tushun - yap - siz - mi? Understand - progressive - you - question Turkish: Anli - yor - mu - sunuz? Understand - progressive - question - you Uzbek: Tushun - ma - yap - man. Understand - negative - progressive - I Turkish: Anla - mi - yor - um. Understand - negative - progressive - I Consider this: Spanish: ¿Entiende? No, no entiendo. Italian: Capisce? No, non capisco. French: Comprenez-vous? Non, je ne comprends pas. Three different words for understand, three different verb conjugations, but if you've got even an elementary background in one of the languages, learning what's going on with the grammar in the other two is pretty simple. It's the same deal here. Testing my memory here, Azeri has two possibilities for "understand" - "basha dush-" (or something like that) and "anla-" - one like Turkish and one like the Central Asian languages. There may be something like "anla-" in the Central Asian languages or something like "tush-" in Turkish that a more serious student of the family would know about. At any rate, the point is that no, these definitely aren't mutually intelligible. But on the other hand, understanding how one works opens you up to the internal logic of the whole family. Learning Uyghur because you know Turkish won't be easy, but it's easier than learning Russian or Sanskrit since you already speak another Indo-European language, English. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6273 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 10 of 56 16 February 2010 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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There is a Turkish verb dusunmek. It may be a cognate of the Uzbek word, though it means to think. These semantic shifts are common in related languages.
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| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6822 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 11 of 56 17 February 2010 at 11:09am | IP Logged | ||
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yeah, looking at those example sentences, all these languages look pretty close to each other. After finding out that the Central Asian equivalent of anlamak (to understand) is like düsünmek (to think in Turkish), things are getting a bit easier. I think the main problem would be understanding the pronunciation and finding out what word is meant in one's "main language".
Imagine this. Learning standard English and then trying to understand somebody from Liverpool is hard, too, for the first time ;) Regards, Ilhan 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vusalgustav Tetraglot Newbie Azerbaijan Joined 6277 days ago 23 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Azerbaijani*, English, Russian, Turkish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 12 of 56 18 February 2010 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am azeri speaker from North Azerbaijan. And I haven't ever learned any Turkish at
all. My only exposure to the Turkish language has been TV. But I can understand and read Turkish as my own language. I can speak it as well, but not as fluently as my reading or understanding, as sometimes I can unconsciously use Azeri words instead of Turkish words in my speech, which in some cases are understood by the Turkish people and sometimes are not. I can write Turkish, but with many mistakes, as I have never practiced the Turkish grammar. This is the case with many of the Azeri people. If one turk and one azeri converse with each other in their own native languages providing that neither of the speakers has been studying the opponent's language, then Turk will understand betwenn 20-60% depending on his or her passive exposure (TV/paper)to Azeri language and Azeri will understand between 50-90%. Some examples. The one which was used previously. English. Do you understand? No, I don't understand. Turkish. Anlıyormusunuz? Hayır, anlamıyorum. Azeri. Anlayırsınız? Xeyir, anlamıram. (formal) Başa düşürsünüz? Yox, başa düşmürəm. (informal) Our vocabulary is very close and there are many cognates, like below: mother - anne(t) -ana(a), life-hayat(t)-heyat(a), to get up - kalkmaq(t)-qalxmaq(a) There are also many false friends, as below. baba(t)- father, baba (a)-grandfather, düşmek(t)-to fall, düşmək (a) - to get down/off I don't know if it is linguistically correct or not, but many turks consider Azeri language to be more close to old Turkish than Turkish itself. Edited by vusalgustav on 18 February 2010 at 1:32pm 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vusalgustav Tetraglot Newbie Azerbaijan Joined 6277 days ago 23 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Azerbaijani*, English, Russian, Turkish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 13 of 56 19 February 2010 at 10:48am | IP Logged | ||
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In order to find out how similar other turk languages to azeri language are, I listened
to some authentic turk languages (I excluded Turkish as in my previous post I have already given information about it). I haven't had any experience with the tested languages. The videos which I watched, all were extractions from local news. Kazak - 0-5%. I could only get the numbers and other very common turkic and international words. ( Uzbek - 5-10%. Easier to understand than Kazakh, but still very hard to get the meaning of the sentences. Turkmen - 20-40%. First central asian turkic language in which I could understand the sentences. I think with several months of passive exposure to the language the understanding can be increased up to 60-80%. Iraqi Turkmen - 80-100%. The result was absolutely surprising for me. I knew that our languages were close. But not that much. I had a feeling that I am listening to the some form of south azeri rather than absolutely different branch of the turkic language. 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6822 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 14 of 56 19 February 2010 at 11:28am | IP Logged | ||
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As far as I know iraqi turkmen IS some form of souther azeri.
Selamlar, Ilhan 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vusalgustav Tetraglot Newbie Azerbaijan Joined 6277 days ago 23 posts - 56 votes Speaks: Azerbaijani*, English, Russian, Turkish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 15 of 56 19 February 2010 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | ||
Hər vaxtın xeyir. To be honest I had no idea, despite the fact that we were taught some Kerkuk poetry at the school. But I always thought that those poems were translation to Azeri language. PS. To the people who remarked about the influence of the Persian language to the Turkic languages I would say that Persian language actually affected every middle east language, including Arabic itself in one or another way. For a long time, the Persian language was a language of the palaces and nobility. Therefore, it is not surprising that Persian had so significant influence upon other languages. The followings are my own ideas, and can be corrected by the linguists or knowledgeable people in this area. When the Turkic language arrived to the Middle East, it was very poor language regarding the vocabulary and it started to adopt the words from the common languages of that time in that regions, Arabic and Persian. And there was even possibility of this language being wiped out fully. But organisation of the Ottoman Empire and creation of Ottoman (being of Turkic origin) identity prevented it. That is why so many words in the Turkic languages are similar to the Persian (especially poetic and philosophical words) and Arabic (especially religious words). From Arabic it also adopted writing style. Edited by vusalgustav on 20 February 2010 at 9:36am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| LatinoBoy84 Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5576 days ago 443 posts - 603 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish*, French Studies: Russian, Portuguese, Latvian | Message 16 of 56 21 February 2010 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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Interesting topic. Would any of you consider the "distance" between these languages to
be similar to that of the Romance Languages? I some of the closer languages, it would seem that the distance is somewhat similar to that of Euro-French and Quebec French. (Maybe?) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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