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Difficulty of spoken Japanese imaginary? | ||
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5179 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 25 of 37 10 May 2012 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Most agree with spoken Japanese being easy, actually most people think that learning it hard, because they use kanji.
However, don't be blinded by simple grammar and phonology, the language is very different so you have to learn many things from the beginning. Unlike when learning a related language. Example: when you are angry at someone in English you may say "you bastard!" the same in Polish and I think in many more languages related to Polish, but in Japanese you would rather say "this bastard!" 「この馬鹿野郎！」. and of course you have to learn tons of vocabulary, most unrelated to your native language, unless you are a CKV speaker, of course. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 26 of 37 15 May 2012 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Are you saying people speak Japanese 21% faster than Spanish? Cuz Spanish sounds really fast to me. Is that just because of how everything gets slurred together? I don't experience the same thing in Japanese (there have been threads on this, I think). Spanish and Korean have a lot of slurring, to my ears. Knowing all the words in a sentence does not guarantee you will be able to understand that sentence when you hear it. Japanese and German do not have a lot of slurring, to my ears. Knowing all the words in a sentence means there is a pretty good chance you will understand it if you hear it. This could all be because of my native English bias, however. Perhaps a native speaker of another language would report the opposite. Edited by IronFist on 15 May 2012 at 7:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 27 of 37 15 May 2012 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
In Norwegian the mere thought of using that word at anyone or about anyone is beyond unthinkable. I would ground my daughter for a month if she used that, and if an adult were to use it I think people would quite literally recoil in disgust. Now of course we are quite happy to call someone a shit bag instead :-) Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 15 May 2012 at 8:38pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5179 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi | Message 28 of 37 16 May 2012 at 12:21am | IP Logged | |||||
SOrry if my post turned to be offensive! When I think about the origin of this word, which was created to discriminate people who were born to unmarried couple, it makes me dislike it as a some kind of caste slur. but in my language the word 'bachor' has long lost its 'charm', now it's used only to refer to a misbehaving child. If someone would call me 'bachor', I would be happy, since that would mean they think I am young. well, sometimes it's hard to detect how a word may be offensive in a foreign language. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5335 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 29 of 37 16 May 2012 at 12:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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No, no, clumsy, I did not find your post the very least offensive! In English I might use it myself, since it has
practically lost its meaning. What I meant, but said in a clumsy way, is that the difference in usage between English and Japanese appears quite modest to someone whose language has kept the original meaning. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| anjathilina Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6605 days ago 33 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Spanish, Mandarin Studies: Hindi | Message 30 of 37 16 May 2012 at 1:12am | IP Logged | |||||
馬鹿野郎 doesn't literally mean "bastard." 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4702 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 31 of 37 16 May 2012 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | |||||
Nope, I spoke of English. Spanish is also a whole lot faster than English, due to also transporting less info / syllable. German is a tad slower than English, but barely any difference. Males speak less clearly than women in Japanese, and less clearly in casual than formal speech. Basically, a politely speaking woman is the easiest to understand Japanese case, while a casually speaking guy the hardest. Edited by atama warui on 16 May 2012 at 2:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 32 of 37 16 May 2012 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
This is true in all languages. A higher pitch voice tends to be easier to understand. It's partly why we instinctively use a higher pitch when talking to babies, which is a distinctive feature of Motherese. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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