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| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4528 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 1 of 21 12 August 2012 at 7:50am | IP Logged |
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Hi everyone! This is a topic I've been very interested in lately. I have no plans to learn Japanese anytime in the near future, however I do want to learn to at least read and write Japanese one day.
I've tried and tried to find information about the best ways for Chinese people to take advantage of their knowlledge of Chinese characters to learn Japanese in an efficient, kanji oriented way. However, I've come across almost nothing as far as that goes. Can anybody tell me about how you learned Japanese when you already knew Chinese? Or vice versa? Or, if you only speak one of the languages, how would you propose going about learning either language in a way that focuses mostly on characters? Thanks in advance! Edited by ZombieKing on 12 August 2012 at 7:50am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6660 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 2 of 21 12 August 2012 at 12:26pm | IP Logged |
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The fact that you roughly know the meaning of a lot of kanji will make it easier for you to read an unknown text.
Also, connecting new information to old information in the brain, is easier than adding entirely new information. Thus you will have an easier time with kanji because you already know them and thus will only have to add their japanese reading, words and alike, and not the meaning and form, strokeorder, and such. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4528 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 3 of 21 12 August 2012 at 6:33pm | IP Logged |
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I'd definitely hope so :)
I was thinking of perhaps reading a Japanese grammar (and I'm quite familiar with Korean grammar already), learning hiragana and katakana, and just transfering my character knowlledge bit by bit. However there's one thing I'm worried about, at least for the first while I'd very dependant on kanji. Are there any texts that use kanji whenever possible, so that nothing but grammatical words are written in Hiragana? I heard that for every content word (noun, verb, adjective, etc), there's a way to write it in kanji. Is that true? Thanks for replying by the way :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6660 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 4 of 21 12 August 2012 at 9:57pm | IP Logged |
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There are words that have no kanji, and there are words whose kanji are very rare.
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| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6950 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 5 of 21 13 August 2012 at 11:30am | IP Logged |
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Am I understanding correctly that you're looking for English-based methods for learning
Japanese that assume a previous knowledge of Chinese? If so, why not just use Chinese- based resources? I would imagine resources made for Chinese speakers would all take advantage of your knowledge of hanzi and teach you to transfer it to Japanese kanji. If I'm mistaken and you've already been checking out Chinese-based resources, then could you explain what was dissatisfying about them? I would be really surprised to hear they aren't "kanji-oriented". 6 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 6 of 21 13 August 2012 at 7:10pm | IP Logged |
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I doubt there is a way to maximize your learning of Japanese based on your knowledge of
Chinese -- yes, the characters will help you a lot, but apart from that, I'd just learn it and enjoy anything that seems easy as you go along. I studied Chinese a looong time ago, then I learned to speak Japanese and just recently started Chinese again. The characters are the only aspect that I can sometimes leverage Japanese for. Which is great because characters are not exactly easy, but nothing else is similar. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4528 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 7 of 21 14 August 2012 at 5:26am | IP Logged |
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I would be open to either Chinese based or English based resources. Right now my Chinese reading ability is not good enough to use Chinese resources to learn Japanese, but it will be by the time I decide to take up Japanese.
Edited by ZombieKing on 14 August 2012 at 5:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| howtwosavealif3 Newbie United States Joined 4487 days ago 16 posts - 19 votes Speaks: English* | Message 8 of 21 16 August 2012 at 2:06pm | IP Logged |
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Well I found this site for using kanji knowledge for learning Korean
http://korean.nomaki.jp/site_j/kanji.html Perhaps you'll find something googling around in Japanese or chinese Edited by howtwosavealif3 on 16 August 2012 at 3:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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