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| zerrubabbel Senior Member United States Joined 4601 days ago 232 posts - 287 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 17 of 21 13 September 2012 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
well, I think at best you would still need to consult a dictionary to be sure ... for instance, 茶 in both means tea, however 好 is only " kind of similar" and definitely cant be used the same way... its always best to be certain 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5694 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 18 of 21 14 September 2012 at 1:58am | IP Logged | ||||||||
The number of words in Japanese and Chinese with the same meaning run well into the thousands. In fact, more than 60% of the words in a Japanese dictionary have Chinese origins. This is due to long standing historical connections. And to top that off, the number of Chinese words with Japanese origins is also quite high (due to Japanese modernizing faster than China and Chinese intellectuals borrowing from the work of Japanese intellectuals when trying to translate western concepts into their respective languages). Just pick up one of the multilingual JLPT study books if you don't believe me. I have a few in Japanese / Korean / Chinese / English. The amount of words here with the Chinese translation exactly the same as the Japanese word is insane. I'll just pick a random page from my JLPT N1 study book. Page 42 and 43 from JLPT日本語能力試験ターゲット２０００ There are 10 words on these pages, 6 of them are listed as being the exact same in Japanese - Chinese. 行政 - 行政 色彩 - 色彩 雇用 - 雇用 向上 - 向上 考慮 - 考虑 (same except for simplified Hanzi) 精神 - 精神 It just goes on and on like this throughout the entire book. Edited by Fiveonefive on 14 September 2012 at 2:01am 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 21 14 September 2012 at 2:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah. My dad is upper-intermediate in Japanese, and when he went to China he would often write down the kanji in an attempt to communicate with people who don't speak English. This worked.
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| nutts Triglot Newbie Japan Joined 6048 days ago 11 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Japanese Studies: Spanish | Message 20 of 21 02 October 2012 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Knowing Japanese definitely helps with studying Chinese. I studied Japanese in Japan for 18 months, and then lived
there for a further 18 months or so. I then chose to come to Taiwan, and have been studying Chinese here for six months so far. If you have a good working knowledge of Japanese kanji, it'll be much quicker to progress in Chinese. For example if you know 準備 in Japanese, you'll instantly know the meaning of 準備 in Chinese, and the pronunciation also happens to be similar; some are more different in pronunciation such as 設定 and 食物; some characters can differ slightly in written form, as well as in pronunciation, such as 説 (J) and 說 (C). Taiwan is possibly better for learning than mainland China, because Japanese kanji are more often closer to traditional characters than simplified ones. This has been proven for me because I have a friend who came to Taiwan a month after me, also studying Chinese every day, but with zero previous knowledge of Japanese or hanzi, and he's still using only pinyin, whilst I've not been using pinyin much at all after the first couple of months of study. Plus because of my previous knowledge learning a language, even one as disconnected grammatically as Chinese and Japanese, my speaking ability is also quite a bit better at this stage. Of course everybody is different, so it's not all down to previous knowledge, it's also of course about enthusiasm etc. Personally though, I'm very glad I learnt the languages in this order, and I find the learning of Chinese to be much more pleasurable with my Japanese knowledge. Perhaps it's also similar studying them the other way around, and I'd be interested to hear more from people with that experience. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| baskerville Trilingual Triglot Newbie Singapore scribeorigins.com Joined 4247 days ago 39 posts - 43 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog* Studies: German*, Japanese Studies: Hungarian | Message 21 of 21 12 June 2013 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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When I was a student, I had Chinese classmates who found Japanese easier because of the
similar characters. But they said that in Chinese, the stroke order of the Kanji is not really important. On the contrary, a Nihongo teacher will stress on the correct stroke order. But according to my Chinese friends, they find Japanese grammar more difficult than Chinese. Chinese does not really have a lot of conjugation which is the opposite in Japanese. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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