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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4291 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes  Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 9 of 12 28 May 2013 at 6:06am | IP Logged |
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Would Madrileños Por El Mundo be a good programme for learning a thick, madrileño accent?
For example, http://youtu.be/M7_IU5hz1O0 It is true from the posts above, that there are a range of accents, and some do sound similar to the one of Marta Jaumandreu. Edited by 1e4e6 on 28 May 2013 at 6:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Gallo1801 Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 4903 days ago 164 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Croatian, German, French | Message 10 of 12 28 May 2013 at 8:55pm | IP Logged |
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From the English Wikipedia:
Realization of /s/ [edit] The phoneme /s/ has three different pronunciations depending on the dialect area:[8] [22][80] An apical alveolar retracted fricative (or "apico-alveolar" fricative) [s̺], sounding to some ears a bit like English /ʃ/. This is characteristic of the northern and central parts of Spain and is also used by many speakers in Colombia's Antioquia department. [81][82] A laminal alveolar grooved fricative [s], much like the most common pronunciation of English /s/. This is characteristic of western Andalusia (e.g. Málaga, Seville, and Cádiz), Canary Islands, and Latin America. An apical dental grooved fricative [s̄] (an ad-hoc symbol), which has a lisping quality and sounds something like a cross between English /s/ and /θ/ (but is not the same as the /θ/ occurring in ceceo dialects). It occurs in eastern Andalusia, for example in Granada, Huelva, Córdoba, Jaén and Almería. Obaid describes the apico-alveolar sound as follows:[83] "There is a Castilian s, which is a voiceless, concave, apicoalveolar fricative: the tip of the tongue turned upward forms a narrow opening against the alveoli of the upper incisors. It resembles a faint /ʃ/ and is found throughout much of the northern half of Spain." Dalbor describes the apico-dental sound as follows:[84] "[s̄] is a voiceless, corono-dentoalveolar groove fricative, the so-called s coronal or s plana because of the relatively flat shape of the tongue body.... To this writer, the coronal [s̄], heard throughout Andalusia, should be characterized by such terms as "soft," "fuzzy," or "imprecise," which, as we shall see, brings it quite close to one variety of /θ/ .... Canfield has referred, quite correctly, in our opinion, to this [s̄] as "the lisping coronal-dental," and Amado Alonso remarks how close it is to the post-dental [θ̦], suggesting a combined symbol [θṣ] to represent it." In some dialects, /s/ may become the approximant [ɹ] in the syllable coda (e.g. doscientos [do̞ɹˈθjẽ̞n̪to̞s] 'two hundred').[85] In many places it debuccalizes to [h] in final position (e.g. niños [ˈnĩɲo̞h] 'children'), or before another consonant (e.g. fósforo [ˈfo̞hfo̞ɾo̞] 'match') — in other words, the change occurs in the coda position in a syllable. From an autosegmental point of view, the /s/ phoneme in Madrid is defined only by its voiceless and fricative features. This means that the point of articulation is not defined and is determined from the sounds following it in the word or sentence. Thus in Madrid the following realizations are found: /pesˈkado/ → [pe̞xˈkao̞] and /ˈfosfoɾo/ → [ˈfo̞fːo̞ɾo̞]. In parts of southern Spain, the only feature defined for /s/ appears to be voiceless;[86] it may lose its oral articulation entirely to become [h], or even a geminate with the following consonant ([ˈmihmo̞] or [ˈmĩmːo̞] from /ˈmismo/ 'same'). [87] In Eastern Andalusian and Murcian Spanish, word-final /s/, /θ/ and /x/ (phonetically [h]) regularly weaken, and the preceding vowel is lowered and lengthened: [36] I guess you're right about the announcers not having the final theta for Madrid. Thank God that the RAE is not as hardline as the AF is. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 11 of 12 29 May 2013 at 1:53am | IP Logged |
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I always hear Madridian UE as [wo]: pues /pwos/, luego /lwogo/,
it's very different from the Latin American clean [ue] pronunciation, even newscasters on TVE seem to say /astalwogo/ Furthermore MUY is [mwi] in Madridian, and not [muj]. Edited by Medulin on 03 June 2013 at 2:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5866 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 12 of 12 01 June 2013 at 3:18pm | IP Logged |
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Another thing i've noticed in Madrid and Spain in general is that often times "x" is pronounced more like an "s". “Leí el sesto testo pero no se qué quiere espresar la última parte sobre hacer esercicio, ¿me lo puedes esplicar?"
A lot of times it sounds like consonants are dropped between vowels or softened at the end of words and moreso at the end of a phrase. I think it's especially common in words ending in -ado, hablao, colao, pringao (:P), pescao, etc. Also i've heard things like "coa cola" instead of "coca cola" and "¿pa' qué?" (though i think this is pretty common all throughout the Spanish-speaking world). In general i think they tend to speak pretty quickly, at least much faster than i can speak ;) And i think it's been mentioned already, but the "j" is closer to the stereotypical German "ch" sound, though not quite as strong. To be honest, now it almost sounds weird when i hear people prounounce "j" as we do in English. Also, lots of leísmo. EDIT: Also, building on what Medulin said, "hasta luego" to me often sounds like "ata lo-o". Edited by Crush on 01 June 2013 at 3:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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