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| kaptengröt Tetraglot Groupie Sweden Joined 4339 days ago 92 posts - 163 votes  Speaks: English*, Swedish, Faroese, Icelandic Studies: Japanese | Message 1 of 9 10 June 2013 at 11:52pm | IP Logged |
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Hey, is there a list of which verbs and prepositions etc. govern which cases? I know there is a list like that for German, so I have hope for an Icelandic one. Err, if anyone has a Faroese one that would also be of interest, although to be honest I don't plan on writing in that anytime soon, I'm content with being able to read and listen to it (hence my not-even-really-knowing if Faroese uses cases the same way).
Or has anyone figured out the "secret" to them, ex. if there are any patterns? Everything I've ever read just said you had to memorize them one-by-one. As by now I can read and listen to Icelandic just fine, but not write or speak it for an intense fear of horribly messing up the grammar, something like this would be really helpful for me. Edited by kaptengröt on 10 June 2013 at 11:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 9 11 June 2013 at 12:15am | IP Logged |
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I just did a search for icelandic case system in a major search engine and found nine PDF essays among the top 10 hits:
icelandic case system Maybe you haven't read all of them. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| kaptengröt Tetraglot Groupie Sweden Joined 4339 days ago 92 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English*, Swedish, Faroese, Icelandic Studies: Japanese | Message 3 of 9 11 June 2013 at 12:49am | IP Logged |
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All that I have ever read (in English, Icelandic, Swedish, and Faroese about Icelandic) talk about the case system as in "Icelandic has four cases and this is how they decline".
Never have I found a list of all the words and which cases they govern, or otherwise "secrets" to the patterns (which as far as I have ever been taught, are non-existent, like I explained). I never got anything similar to that from teachers or textbooks either. If you haven't studied Icelandic then you don't know what it's like - it's not a regular system, unlike many (or even most??) other languages with cases, for example like Finnish is very regular or like how you can guess which case a word will govern (I have been told, anyway) in German. Ex. a big list of "these are all the verbs that govern accusative case" and "these are all the prepositions that govern accusative case" and "these are all the ones that govern nominative" and so on. For example, I was told this is German: Mit, Nach, Bei, Seit, Von, Zu, Aus are all dative. = With, After, With, Since, Of, To/Till, From/by Icelandic: (I just pulled the definitions from the online dictionary real fast, so don't blame me if they're wrong) með - acc (with), dat (accompany, among, since, because) eftir - acc (after or in with time, by), dat (movement along, according to, after/behind) með því að - dat (since, because) af - dat (from/off with motion, after with time, because of, by) til - gen (towards, a position, for/to, until) frá - dat (from, away from, about) Most search results I see here are "here is how words change for each case" (ex. "strong masculine type one changes like this"), but not patterns to "why" they change (again, looking for a list of words or something) or "how can we make Icelandic work with grammar checkers" or "how does word order in relation to cases differ between Icelandic and other languages" and that sort of thing. Edited by kaptengröt on 11 June 2013 at 1:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4863 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 4 of 9 11 June 2013 at 1:15am | IP Logged |
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How about this?
http://www.skolavefurinn.is/_opid/islenska/vanda_malid/kynni ng/hugtakaskyringar_malfraedi _kynning.html It was the link given by Wikipedia on the page for case governing in Icelandic (Fallstjórn, or Rektion in German). I don't know Icelandic so I can't comment on this. By the way, could you tell me where to find that list for German? Edited by caam_imt on 11 June 2013 at 1:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| kaptengröt Tetraglot Groupie Sweden Joined 4339 days ago 92 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English*, Swedish, Faroese, Icelandic Studies: Japanese | Message 5 of 9 11 June 2013 at 1:20am | IP Logged |
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Unfortunately that's basically just a list of definitions for grammar terms, and has no rules at all.
I read about the list on the unilang forums. I have never studied German so I don't have it, but I'll help you look! Edit: I tried looking for quite a while but didn't find it, I couldn't even find the thread that I read about it in. Maybe someone who knows about German or knows German can find it a lot easier than me. Edited by kaptengröt on 11 June 2013 at 3:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| csjc Tetraglot Newbie IcelandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5601 days ago 20 posts - 36 votes Speaks: English*, Icelandic, Modern Hebrew, Dutch Studies: Norwegian, French, Japanese | Message 6 of 9 11 June 2013 at 10:29am | IP Logged |
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I can't post links here yet, but there's a list of case government for Icelandic prepositions on the wikipedia page
"Icelandic grammar", under the heading "prepositions". As to whether there is some sort of secret to learning case usage in Icelandic, no, not really. The nominative and genitive follow regular patterns (minus a handful of exceptions), so it is usually the choice between accusative or dative that causes problems. In some cases, either can be used, triggering a difference in meaning. Unfortunately it is not so clear cut - even Icelanders disagree amongst themselves about case governance of loan verbs (i.e. að gúgla). My only recommendation is to continue exposing yourself to Icelandic and paying a great amount of attention to their usage, there are indeed predictable patterns of usage that become apparent after studying the language to a more advanced level. If you read German, Bruno Kress' Isländische Grammatik is a momentous work that covers the ins and outs of Icelandic case usage in detail. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 9 11 June 2013 at 12:41pm | IP Logged |
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Icelandic prepositions and the cases they govern: click here
German: I learnt the following lists in school, and I have used them ever since: Akkusativ: Durch, für, gegen, ohne, um Dativ: Aus, ausser, bei, gegenüber, mit, nach, seit, von, zu Genitiv: Statt, anstatt, während, wegen Akkusativ / dativ: An, auf, hinter, in, neben, über, unter, vor, zwischen Edited by Iversen on 11 June 2013 at 12:52pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| kaptengröt Tetraglot Groupie Sweden Joined 4339 days ago 92 posts - 163 votes Speaks: English*, Swedish, Faroese, Icelandic Studies: Japanese | Message 8 of 9 11 June 2013 at 3:26pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks, that helps! Although I'm really, reaaaally hoping for a huge verb list. I know a lot more people are learning Icelandic now than were a few years ago, so hopefully...
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