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luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French
| Message 25 of 63 08 May 2013 at 8:58am | IP Logged |
lichtrausch wrote:
What is the most prestigious Spanish dialect in Latin America? |
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The dialect of your speaking partner.
I've heard Columbians, Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, and Spanish speakers all claim that throne.
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| Mad Max Tetraglot Groupie Spain Joined 5052 days ago 79 posts - 146 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, Russian Studies: Arabic (classical)
| Message 26 of 63 08 May 2013 at 1:45pm | IP Logged |
IMHO, the most prestigious Spanish dialect is Colombian.
I think that in the future will be a US dialect from Univision. It will be obviously
the most prestigious because probably will be neutral.
For example, there is a Latin American word for car "carro" and an European one
"coche". There is also a neutral word "auto".
On the other hand, the most spoken dialects are the Mexican and the European one. The
European (standard, from Castille) is studied in the European Union and worldwide. In
European Union, Spanish is spoken by 75 million people as first, second or foreign
language (15% of the population, Eurobarometer 2010). African Spanish is also similar
to the European (Morocco, Sahara and Equatorial Guinea).
Finally, Mexican Spanish is spoken in Mexico and the USA. It is the most spoken one.
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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5784 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German
| Message 27 of 63 08 May 2013 at 2:28pm | IP Logged |
casamata wrote:
2. Also, and I am repeating this for the umpteenth time, I'm not
saying that any one accent is better, just that certain accents are generally perceived
as more high-class. Learn whatever you want. |
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I'm not quite sure why you keep repeating it, though, as I never said you did claim
such a thing.
casamata wrote:
1. Amongst Americans learning Spanish, I would bet that the majority of Americans
consider the Spanish accent more prestigious than Mexican Spanish. And I would expect
that amongst Spanish *learners* in the world, the Spanish accent would be amongst the
most prestigious, if not the most highly-regarded
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casamata wrote:
But answering your question, I think the opinions of Spanish non-natives is very
pertinent; it reflects the perceptions that we have about the Spanish language. They
may very well "be blind", but they think what they think, due to mass media, personal
exposure, or whatever factors that have led them to conclude that X accent is more
prestigious than Y accent. |
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The vast majority of people that the OP will interact with will be native speakers by
far, so I disagree.
casamata wrote:
What is more prestigious? A Mercedes Benz S class costing 80,000+ with
all the bells and whistles or a Toyota Corolla? Many people would prefer having the
Corolla due to cost, but very few people in the world would say that a Toyota Corolla
is as prestigious as a Mercedes Benz S class. |
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You keep making these plausible sounding analogies to situations that aren't actually
analogous.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 28 of 63 08 May 2013 at 2:32pm | IP Logged |
If you're going to learn Spanish for the most prestigious dialect then maybe you've got
your priorities a little mixed up. Everyone knows the elite only either speaks accentless
English, or, of course, the elite obscure dialect of a newly discovered language called
Pambalulu which is only spoken in a tiny speck of the Australian Outback, which only uses
dental, labial and alveolar consonants and only has the cardinal vowels.
The most prestigious Spanish dialect is that of an obscure village in the Andalusian
mountains where three sheep farmers live. Farming sheep is the new prestige business.
Edited by tarvos on 08 May 2013 at 2:32pm
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| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin
| Message 29 of 63 08 May 2013 at 2:44pm | IP Logged |
tarvos wrote:
If you're going to learn Spanish for the most prestigious dialect then maybe you've got
your priorities a little mixed up.
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I've made it abundantly clear that this is not the case...
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 30 of 63 08 May 2013 at 2:54pm | IP Logged |
I'm sure the satirical tone of my post threw you off a little bit, but that was a general
"you".
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| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5346 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish*
| Message 31 of 63 08 May 2013 at 3:59pm | IP Logged |
Let me just say that to a native speaker's ears definitely not all accents sound the same. This is such an obvious fact and applies to all speech communities everywhere, however the excesses of political correctness impose stating it nonetheless.
In this case, Spanish as spoken in the Colombian coastal regions, Venezuela, and parts of the Caribbean does generate a particular impression upon an educated speaker which though colorful, may not always be favorable.
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| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5346 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish*
| Message 32 of 63 08 May 2013 at 5:02pm | IP Logged |
In order to experience first-hand the contrast between different strands of Spanish you can listen here to an interview between an illustrious Argentinian economist and a Colombian intellectual and statesman.
Notice how though accent and style are divergent, mutual comprehensibility is complete.
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