qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6187 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map
| Message 25 of 53 09 April 2008 at 12:29am | IP Logged |
Fränzi wrote:
I think I read somewhere that Korean is the best gateway language for someone possibly keen on learn C-J-K or just one of the others. Is this true? Wouldn't Chinese in terms of vocabulary and the characters make it the ideal "gateway language" to Japanese or Korean? I am aware the grammar is different from the agglutinating nature of the other two. |
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I would say that Korean could be the best language to start with. It has hanja, which helps you with kanji and hanzi. It has similar grammar to Japanese, similar words to Chinese (or more specifically, borrowed words, if you will), and enough phonetic sounds to give you an edge than say, Japanese would if you studied it first. Of course this is a subjective topic, but there is plenty of objective evidence to go around.
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Jiwon Triglot Moderator Korea, South Joined 6437 days ago 1417 posts - 1500 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Korean*, GermanC1 Studies: Hindi, Spanish Personal Language Map
| Message 26 of 53 09 April 2008 at 5:49am | IP Logged |
Korean doesn't seem to be THAT popular considering the number of questions that are asked on this forum...
I think the major reason is that it's an exotic language, and people like a challenge, so they just head for Korean. The fact that it has more study materials than more exotic languages would be another appeal for the language.
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Eriol Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6867 days ago 118 posts - 130 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Portuguese
| Message 28 of 53 09 April 2008 at 7:57am | IP Logged |
Korean would probably rank somewhere between place 11 and 15 on a language importance scale like George Weber's and I think the amount of attention it gets on these forums is about equal to that. Neither overstudied nor understudied I say.
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bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6245 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese
| Message 29 of 53 09 April 2008 at 8:55am | IP Logged |
Goindol wrote:
I wasn't being facetious. The biggest problem is that most of it is utterly untranslatable. Take a peek if your Korean's up to level.
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never implied you were facetious.
yes, that's its biggest problem, there you have. 's what i meant when i talked about the lack of it.
i'm still a super beginner in korean, and i haven't practiced for months now. i functionally forgot even hangeul.
Goindol wrote:
It seems you're trolling. Are you really so bored that you need to troll a language forum?
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i'm getting extremely annoyed by the bitchiness on this forum.
as soon as someone starts to discuss (no matter how stupid the matter may be, like in this case) someone is soon to start accusations of trolling, calling admins, then bans come up... relax, it's a forum.
qklilx wrote:
I would say that Korean could be the best language to start with. It has hanja, which helps you with kanji and hanzi. It has similar grammar to Japanese, similar words to Chinese. |
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wrong about the hanja. few will start to learn hanja, and even if they do; one will quickly forget because of the complete uselessness of them.
you're right about the grammar and vocab tho', however i wouldn't argue much a gateway cjk language. they're still remarkably different to give a big edge if you know one already.
Edited by bushwick on 09 April 2008 at 8:55am
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vanityx3 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6462 days ago 331 posts - 326 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Japanese
| Message 30 of 53 09 April 2008 at 9:03am | IP Logged |
girls maybe? hah I'm 20, maybe learning a language to pick up girls isn't exactly the smartest thing. But oh well. Barry Farber tells about learning a language or two for the girls. I think he said Norweigian for Blonds.
By the way, I think it's sort of a interesting idea on paper, but if you can't pick up a girl in your own country, you probably can't pick one up in another country either. So maybe you should just keep trying with the girls in your own country. lol
Edited by vanityx3 on 09 April 2008 at 9:04am
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Goindol Senior Member United States Joined 6075 days ago 165 posts - 203 votes
| Message 31 of 53 09 April 2008 at 9:16am | IP Logged |
bushwick wrote:
and i haven't practiced for months now. i functionally forgot even hangeul. |
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Are you telling me that you're complaining about the lack of great literature in a language you can't read at all?? Goodness.
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i'm getting extremely annoyed by the bitchiness on this forum.
as soon as someone starts to discuss (no matter how stupid the matter may be, like in this case) someone is soon to start accusations of trolling, calling admins, then bans come up... relax, it's a forum.
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chelovek wrote:
coitoergosum wrote:
Because it's beautiful and that's why it's very useful. |
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Beautiful doesn't mean that something is useful.
PS: It seems you're trolling. Are you really so bored that you need to troll a language forum? |
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Edited by Goindol on 09 April 2008 at 9:17am
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andee Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 7078 days ago 681 posts - 724 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English*, German, Korean, French
| Message 32 of 53 09 April 2008 at 10:15am | IP Logged |
I originally started Korean because it was the country and language I knew the least about that my university offered. The more I learnt about Korea, the more I wanted to find out. The more Korean friends I made, the more I wanted to meet. And then after studying in Seoul, I realised I loved the country.. And now my partner is Korean, so yes.. for the girls too huh?
Seriously, I liked the look of Hangeul and I knew nothing of Korea. That was my initial 'why'. After uncovering some things, I needed to find out everything. I fell in love with the country, culture, and people. And I've made some of the strongest friendships imaginable because of my choice of learning Korean. But practically speaking, it's not as useful as some others.. although Korea's economy is growing and Korean will gain more importance in the future.. Plus the political history and situation is interesting.
As for literature... The pinnacle?
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