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| Chevalier Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 4710 days ago 53 posts - 104 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 25 of 44 14 June 2012 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In Rio Grande do Sul, only "TU" is used. I use "Senhor, Senhora" while at work or talking to the elders. tu sabi ondji fica u stádjiu? that's how people from the Capitol sound like, in the country it would sound almost like the written language. "Tu sabes onde fica o estádio?" But again, I'm only talking about Rio Grande do Sul. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4671 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 26 of 44 15 June 2012 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In Rio Grande do Sul, VOCÊ is used as an informal pronoun only in Serra Gaúcha.
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| Chevalier Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 4710 days ago 53 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 27 of 44 15 June 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Some people might use it at work to sound more polite and they are probably going to pronounce "você" instead of "cê". Everyone else will say "tu" here, unless they were born somewhere else. I know lots of people from Gramado, Canela (Serra) and they don't use "você". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Osodrak Diglot Newbie Brazil Joined 4550 days ago 5 posts - 10 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English | Message 28 of 44 16 June 2012 at 2:19am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I also live in south of Brazil, in Florianópolis.
Here is common the use of "Tu", but with a weird and non-existing "book" conjugation. So, if you want to facilitate your studies, I suggest that you forget the conjugations about the 2nd persons (both singular and plural). This would also turn your portuguese more "real", since no one in Brazil uses the right conjugations on conversation (by this I mean grammatically correct). Furthermore, since your wife is from Brazil, you could "align" your studies with her speech and abandon some topics (conjugations of the 2nd persons, for example) that would be useless. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Galeão Newbie Brazil Joined 4551 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes | Message 29 of 44 16 June 2012 at 3:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Learn 'você' instead of 'tu', but I recommend you to use the right pronounce (você, not cê). Souns better and prettier and you can use the right pronunciation for formal and unformal situations
No, it's not. 'Tu' is used in the whole state, including the Serra. 'Você' is just used on news and by some attendants of touristic spots (maybe this occurs at Gramado and Canela, because they are touristic cities), but still rarely. We never use the pronoun 'você', just 'tu', in formal and unformal conversations. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| drfeelgood17 Bilingual Hexaglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6452 days ago 98 posts - 117 votes Speaks: English*, Tagalog*, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Japanese, Latin, Arabic (Written) | Message 30 of 44 16 June 2012 at 4:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Is the plural pronoum vocês also shortened to "cês"? Or is it just the singular that undergoes shortening? I also know that "estou" is often shortened to "tô"....does this apply to ALL persons? e.g: estou - tô está - tá estamos - tamos estão- tão Could one say "tão ocupados?" "tamos comendo?" Are these all equally common/acceptable? Thanks for your help. Edited by drfeelgood17 on 16 June 2012 at 4:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4718 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 31 of 44 16 June 2012 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In spoken language, yes, definitely.
Yes! Everyone does it in spoken language. To go even further, people usually don't use the "nós" as well, using "a gente" with the 3rd person conjugation instead. So, it'd be like: Eu tô Você (Cê) tá Ele/Ela tá A gente tá Vocês (cês) tão Eles/Elas tão "Eles tão ocupados" sounds perfectly normal and correct. "Tamos comendo" not that much. You could take that "s" out and say "Tâmo comendo", or, more common, "A gente tá comendo". Edited by fabriciocarraro on 16 June 2012 at 5:07pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4671 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 32 of 44 16 June 2012 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In Minas Gerais and Nordeste: A gente tá comeno.
As for the use of informal pronouns in the South: ''Pelas pesquisas de Loregian-Penkal (2004: 14-16; 81; 136-138; 167) e de Ramos (1989: 26-35; 49-55; 64-67) para a região Sul, as mulheres tendem a usar mais o pronome TU do que os homens.'' http://www.abralin.org/revista/RVE1/v14.pdf Edited by Medulin on 16 June 2012 at 8:22pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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