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| PillowRock Groupie United States Joined 4665 days ago 87 posts - 151 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 9 of 17 31 March 2012 at 12:19am | IP Logged | |||||
Another possibility: They may have too low of a frustration threshold with respect to failing to understand. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4619 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 10 of 17 31 March 2012 at 12:40am | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes. More or less the same thing, in my mind. You will never have 100% comprehension, even of your native
language, and getting from zero to 99% takes a while. IMHO, learning to understand most of what is said or written when you are missing a decent amount of the words is an important skill in and of itself, which courses themselves do not really address. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4632 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 11 of 17 01 April 2012 at 12:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't buy "getting used to the speed". When you don't know a word, you won't understand it no matter what. When you learn that word, you will have to encounter it again in clear speech, no matter the speed.
It may be nice in the beginning, when there are concepts like double consonants, pauses, stress or pitch, but after the very early stages, slow speech is not better or worse, it's just slower. You still will or won't understand words, and if you don't get words you should know, you need to listen more, to clear speech, at whatever speed. Variety of speakers however will be of use. Hear a word being spoken by 3 or 4 different people and you will own it (listening-comprehension-wise). If you have trouble modulating the sounds to pronounciate a word, go back to the pronunciation introduction chapters. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jean-luc Senior Member France Joined 4891 days ago 100 posts - 150 votes Speaks: French* Studies: German | Message 12 of 17 02 April 2012 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Slowly spoken material is really valuables, at least at the beginning. It give time to your brain to process and understand what you're listening at. Pretty much the same happen when your read a difficult book: you slow down your read speed.
Of course if you find it to slow for you, it's time to speed up. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6840 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 17 02 April 2012 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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My experience says that slowly spoken material is often clearer than anybody would speak (i.e. not natural audio being slowed down), so if we get used to this, we'd still not be prepared for reduced pronunciation.
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| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5061 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 14 of 17 02 April 2012 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
Actually, if we're combining audio with video, I disagree with this. Pick any subject that interests you, say, cooking. Watch a few different cooking shows. Eventually you're going to learn the words "stir", "eggs", etc. because you're seeing people doing the action (stirring, cracking an egg) and learn it at normal speed, and most likely in several different accents. It may not be the most efficient way to learn a word/phrase/command/whatever, but you're learning it in context as a native speaker would use it. R. == Edited by hrhenry on 02 April 2012 at 8:48pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| geoffw Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4619 days ago 1134 posts - 1865 votes Speaks: English*, German, Yiddish Studies: Modern Hebrew, French, Dutch, Italian, Russian | Message 15 of 17 02 April 2012 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
And furthermore, this doesn't account for the problem that oftentimes you DO know the words, but you can't understand them...until you get used to listening to full-speed audio. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4632 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 16 of 17 03 April 2012 at 5:31am | IP Logged | |||||
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Don't mix up concepts here.
I'm talking about an audio track, maybe an audio book, or the CD accompanying your textbook. Or two natives standing at the corner, having a discussion. Everything that's not "comprehensible input" like "point at your nose and say Dies ist meine Nase, point at your head and say Dies ist mein Kopf...) You will come across content you have to chance to comprehend more often than not. How do you "show" words such as "democracy"? You don't. You would need an explanation, and those explanations won't be there in the wild. I'm not talking about word games on TV. Try following the news in your Lx and count how many words you won't understand without additional info. I don't talk about slurred or accentuated pronunciation. I know very well that it makes a difference to hear "shiyou ga nai" or "shaa nee". What I mean is, even native speakers talk at different levels of speed. There is no one "native speed", speed level differs on an individual basis. However, I get where you're coming from and agree 100%. Accentuated speech will not take you far. But that was not what I was talking about. :) A good way to train listening comprehension is watch ANYTHING with speakers trained to speak. News. Animations. Foreign movies, translated into your target language. Disney movies in any language will be a jackpot. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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