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| ajelsma Newbie United States Joined 4541 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes | Message 1 of 10 12 April 2012 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey everyone I'm knew to the forum. I've been reading the posts but finally can ask my
own questions. So I realized that the best way for me to learn a language is through a sentence. I will learn the vocabulary and be able to almost...mix and match the words relatively easily. That being said I need a better method to learn sentences. I've tried the a ton of methods such as shadowing, goldlist, flash cards (online and paper), just repeating the sentence, the sentence method by glossika and a few others (and more for non-sentence methods). Shadowing works ok but runs out when you don't have the recording. Also I tend to forget about 1/3 of the sentences. This method also takes too long for me personally; I want to be able to say the sentence relatively quickly not in a week and forget it. The goldlist method; the major flaw for me and sentences in this is it becomes passive vocabulary and I really do not enjoy writing sentences (I dont mind words but that is different) which is one of the main parts of the method; to enjoy it. Flashcards do not also work for me because Ill remember if for 30 seconds and the be completely gone (just like I used for school). The repeating a sentence or doing physical activity while doing so works pretty well but is very very slow and doesnt solidify it (like Goldlist claims to). I wish I could use the sentence method by Glossika but honestly I cant listen to my own voice for that long and its he says he just knows the meaning of the word its just the repetition that gets it into his head. Also of course the fear of everyone with this method is pronunciation. I could get a native speaker to do it but I still will not know what some of the words are. I've tried alot of the other methods; such as the one used by Steve Kaufman, Luca, Goldlist. Which showed me that the use of sentences is the way for me. Anyone have any ideas or methods. Alot of the ones that "push it in over time" are just that over time and slow. As for the ones who just force it in for a "study session" tend to make you forget it quickly. Yes, so thank you for reading it and any good ideas would be awesome. If there was already an extensive post about this. A link would be great too. Thanks everyone 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6528 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 2 of 10 13 April 2012 at 2:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Have you tried SRS? this guy learned Japanese by learning 10,000 sentences... or something.
You don't necessarily need to reproduce entire sentences, in fact the real acquisition happens when they are divided into smaller chunks in your brain, those you can mix and match. Also, you do need longer input in your learning, whether books, music or TV shows or whatever. How do you choose your sentences? Seems like it's best to stick with shadowing and just use what you have. If you really like a sentence, ask for a recording at forvo.com :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ajelsma Newbie United States Joined 4541 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes | Message 3 of 10 13 April 2012 at 5:24am | IP Logged | ||
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Ive tried the mnemosyne and if I can push in into my longterm memory then it is passive
not active. I have a large list of sentences from a website (maybe 10-20,000). This is just a list already in the mnemosyne program. This just doesn't seem to help but ill try this for a bit. Thanks :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4602 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 4 of 10 13 April 2012 at 6:10am | IP Logged | ||
We can suggest ways to learn sentences more efficiently; there have been many threads on the subject. But I'm going to have to disagree with the above quote. I can't imagine a situation in which someone would be best served by only learning sentences. I would encourage you to try to become more balanced in your approach. In fact, you may find that it's this lack of balance that makes it hard for you to learn sentences. If you are open to this, and willing to give a lot more details about what you're trying to accomplish, you will probably get a lot more useful advice and information out of this forum. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4632 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 5 of 10 13 April 2012 at 12:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree 100% with Wulfgar. There is no one-way-method you use to learn a language.
Find a forum in your TL where natives discuss something you love. This was effective for me for English. Doesn't work pretty well for Japanese, because of Kanji (although, at my level now, it might... hey, I need to check this out). Find a podcast teaching your language. Michel Thomas or Pimsleur are fine, but there are others for free on the net as well. Watch youtube clips in your target language. Those are short, so it's easier to handle them up to some certain point. You can still do your sentences, but doing ONLY that will burn you out and frustrate you for a lot of reasons. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6528 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 6 of 10 13 April 2012 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree too.
Also, even gaining only passive skills is a huge achievement. When you have them you can improve by simply using native materials. if you insert gaps you can also test your active skills with SRS. And really at least I find that reading activates my passive skills. I noticed that during Tadoku. Premade decks might sound tempting but I recommend finding sentences on your own, on topics YOU consider interesting :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ajelsma Newbie United States Joined 4541 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes | Message 7 of 10 14 April 2012 at 5:35am | IP Logged | ||
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Ok, then let me ask advice on the learning idioms. Of course you need to learn what each
parts mean but idioms are not "cut and paste" the words but basically regurgitation. How can you learn these to become long-term, active memory? Thanks :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4632 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 8 of 10 14 April 2012 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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Idioms are material for advanced students. By the time you reach that level, the approach itself will be automatic.
You then immersed yourself to some degree already and since you'll need even more immersion most at that stage, you will encounter idioms. You'll understand almost everything else, so you can decode idioms without too much trouble by deriving their meaning from context, just like you'll do with unknown words. Does that make sense to you? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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