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| Antanas Tetraglot Groupie Lithuania Joined 4815 days ago 91 posts - 172 votes  Speaks: Lithuanian*, English, Russian, German Studies: FrenchB1, Spanish | Message 9 of 9 17 March 2013 at 10:22pm | IP Logged |
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I think Outcast is right. The stuff is basic, if not very basic. From learners perspective, it's A1-A2. But don't forget that all the people on the videos are native speakers. So they can suddenly become C2 and more if the need may arise.
For instance, in video Flirten, they use very basic grammatical constructions. If I'm not mistaken, there is only one compound sentence uttered by a person interviewed ("...weil..."). There were no conditional sentences used whatsoever. So, it's A2, at most. On the other hand, people interviewed have to respond "spontaneously" and that's C2 according to "Common European Framework of Reference for Languages": "Can express him/herself spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex situations." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_R eference_for_Languages) If you are male and flirting in EU, then it's linguistically rather (if not most) complex situation. (In Eastern Europe a male can be, perhaps, more macho than these guys on the video, but, on the other hand, he has to be more eloquent.) And don't forget that there were cameras pointed at them. The girls were, actually, challenging those poor males, and this is not the most common "language game". But the girls didn't have the guts to ask an unknown girl on the street: "bei mir oder bei dir?". So, there are still taboos in Muenster, Germany. And that goes beyond A2. So, I believe that all those ratings according to "Common European Framework of Reference for Languages" are very tricky. You can't simply rate a video. You can rate only a speaker. And, yes, they are all C2+, even if they speak sometimes as if they were A1. Where is flirting on CEFRL scale? Anyway, I believe, that (from a formal grammatical point of view) if you cannot utter (or, at least, understand) a conditional statement then your knowledge of a language is very basic. And that is the case with those videos. Edited by Antanas on 17 March 2013 at 10:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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