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| AML Senior Member United States Joined 6823 days ago 323 posts - 426 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, German, Spanish | Message 1 of 16 18 August 2013 at 5:45am | IP Logged | ||
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I was wondering if there exists, either somewhere on this forum or online elsewhere or in a published book, a detailed daily description of someone's journey from ZERO to FLUENCY.
I'm talking about *something* along the lines of The Lernen to Talk Show or Benny the Irish Polyglot except with way more detail. Does there exist someone starting with a language, of which they knew absolutely nothing, and progressing to "fluency" (C1 +/-) while having detailed basically everything they did to progress? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4142 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 2 of 16 18 August 2013 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | ||
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Look in the language logs on HTLAL - there are tons of people logging their progress. I'm sure that some of them
started from zero. I started logging from a few months in, because I didn't think to start keeping track on day one, and I'm not at C1 yet (probably somewhere around B1). But I outline my approach on my blog. I guess I also didn't exactly start from zero, because I'm learning Spanish and I already know French. It's not like learning, say, Japanese or Arabic. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Haksaeng Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6196 days ago 166 posts - 250 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 3 of 16 18 August 2013 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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Koreaninkuwait.com comes close to what you're looking for. I believe he started his log here at HTLAL and then moved it over to his own site. The first entry doesn't start from absolute zero, but it starts at a basic level in the middle of 2008 and he has an entry almost every day until July 2012, except for a few months when he was traveling. It's a very good record of his path to fluency in Korean.
He's now logging his progress in French. That log starts pretty much from his first day of study, but it's not finished; he's in Month 8 right now. In addition to his daily log, he usually also writes a monthly status update, which gives a good overview of each month's progress and highlights. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5530 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 16 18 August 2013 at 3:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've tried to keep a pretty detailed log from A2 to B2+. This doesn't cover the whole range you're interested in, but it's a pretty big piece.
Starting point: When I started that log, I had finished Assimil, read less than 1,000 pages, done about 1,000 L1<->L2 vocab cards, and listened to several hundred hours of my wife speaking French to our toddler-age children. Right now: I'm sort of a half-baked fluent—some days I can explain pretty complicated ideas, other days I trip over my tongue. I earned a B2 certificate over a year ago, and I've improved since then, but I'm still a good ways below a full C1, speaking-wise. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5379 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 5 of 16 18 August 2013 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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When I did the Finnish challenge last year (30 days, 35 hours), I considered filming every single study
session, but I figured there'd be no point or interest. Then again, we only made it to A2. Making it to C1 is a pretty long journey and even if someone was determined enough to documented everything, I'm not sure you'd really want to read all of that. What would be interesting would be to document EVERY study session of an accomplished learner (and we know many online who regularly take on new languages for a few months) so as to see progress on a daily basis, but this would be a big project and would require a lot of resources. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| AML Senior Member United States Joined 6823 days ago 323 posts - 426 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, German, Spanish | Message 7 of 16 18 August 2013 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, I agree with you, filming every session is a bit much, both in terms of work on my part and in terms of being boring for the viewer. What I had in mind was at least a weekly speaking video, in order to demonstrate progress. In addition, I'd report daily details of what I did, including sharing any Anki cards I made, books I read and HOW I read them, etc, etc. I'm a scientist, so what I'm talking about is reporting details in the same sense as reporting experimental details in a scientific journal article so that another scientist could repeat my experiments and results. In this case, it would be learning a language to some level of fluency. Personally, I think it would be fascinating if Benny or Luca or whoever did this with one of their new languages, especially one unrelated to a language they already know. Does anyone agree that this would be interesting and of value if done properly? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5007 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 8 of 16 18 August 2013 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think it would be very interesting.
Another detailed "how to" is on the blog all japanese all the time. Author-Khatzumoto learnt Japanese to native like level in two years or so. His method is based on massive immersion, learning grammar from sentences and a few other things. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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