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I'm With Stupid
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26 September 2013 at 9:17pm | IP Logged 
When talking about difficulty of languages, people will often refer to how different it is from your native language as one of the key factors. So based on that, would it be right to assume that two people learning each other's language would have an exactly equal level of difficulty? All other things being equal, of course (access to resources, opportunities to practice, etc). Is English just as difficult for a Chinese native speaker as Chinese is for an English native speaker? Or are there still factors in particular languages that make them objectively more difficult for everyone? You might assume, for example, than any spelling system with an alphabet would be easier to learn than a series of hyroglifics. What do you think?
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26 September 2013 at 9:45pm | IP Logged 
The equation should normally apply, with the exception of outstanding or unusual features, and the Chinese writing system is definitely one such feature. I'm certainly not arguing that English spelling is easy, but Chinese writing is an outstanding hurdle that makes Chinese harder to learn for an English speaker than the other way around.

If you were asking the question in an entirely oral context where writing were not an issue, if both people had never been exposed to any other language, I'd say the difficult is equal.
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27 September 2013 at 6:03pm | IP Logged 
Definitely agree Chinese is difficult to learn because of the characters. I know people who are fluent in spoken &
written Chinese have to look up characters not used frequent in a dictionary since you cannot spell characters
phonetically. There are many characters that sound similar except for the intonation it would be easy to get mixed
up. To this day Chinese input software does not come with a spell-check. When typing on the computer you have
to rely on proofreading to edit your page.

The difficulty with English is pronunciation. Like French has a lot of silent sounds. Some Chinese learn English
words by using characters that sound closest help them remember and tend to make the silent sounds more
audible. Such as the word "England" can sound like the Chinese way "yīnggélán" with the "g" sound in the middle
more pronounced. Like the French "Mademoiselle" to an Italian-speaker would sound like "Mad-a-moiselle" with
the silent "e" more pronounced.

The last time travelling in Shanghai the announcement in Chinese was clear and easy to understand but the
equivalent in English was a bit awkward. Some people can speak 2 or more languages reasonably well. There are
certain sounds native to 1 language that is not found in another. If you native language isn't English, there is a
good chance you would speak it with some of your native accent mixed in. Depending on how strong the accent
the conversation can get misunderstood.

A few days ago I was listening to a news broadcast. The story was from Kenya. Someone was interviewed in a local
hospital. It was clear his first language is not English but his pronunciation was sufficiently clear and can be easily
understood. Words like "hospital" sounded like "hospit-el" and "remember" sounded like "rememb-a".
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29 September 2013 at 5:00pm | IP Logged 
I'm With Stupid wrote:
All other things being equal, of course (access to resources, opportunities to practice, etc).
Is English just as difficult for a Chinese native speaker as Chinese is for an English native speaker?

Exposure is one thing that often keeps all other things from being equal when comparing to English. I would bet
that the average chinese person gets much more exposure to English than an English speaker gets to chinese, for
example.


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