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| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 57 of 145 15 December 2013 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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Wow today I had a word that came up that threw me off... someone explained it to me and
it didn't stick this time. I went back and looked it up... I had that word, but a different definition. Maybe it will stick now, because it's in the same neighbor hood. Some things that happened to me yesterday, someone sat next to me, handed me some money and I thought they said, "sorry"(pasensia), and then, "here's your change"(sincillo ni), but what they said was "make me some change"(pasincillo ni). Someone called on the phone, started speaking Cebuano, and I was about to ask them to switch over to English, but then I figured out that they were asking for directions! So I told them a landmark that would get them there, but they kept asking more & I couldn't figure it out, so I handed it to someone else, and they were also confused... long story short, the callers did not know they called the wrong number. just noticed Some Cebuano books by Joseph P Hradisky Jr on Amazon for Kindle. Edited by ElComadreja on 15 December 2013 at 6:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 58 of 145 16 December 2013 at 11:47am | IP Logged | ||
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The word is "timpla" and in every dictionary I looked in it says "add flavor to" or
"flavor". It was used yesterday as more of a "make" when someone asked If I would like them to make some coffee. Oddly enough, if I think of "flavor" I now remember this word, but not if I'm trying to think of yesterday's scenario. Edited by ElComadreja on 16 December 2013 at 11:48am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 59 of 145 21 December 2013 at 7:13am | IP Logged | ||
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As kind of a side note, I listed the back of Teach Yourself Filipino, and worked it
through 3rd distillations, then after a week, I started reading though the book quite easily, even on grammar points. I went through about half the book like that in two days, and then felt a block after that. A week later, and I did 4th distillations, with no apparent change in # of words that I could pull out. When I'm done with the 4ths I'll see how the rest of the book goes. edit: I had a little "encouragement" to go ahead and start doing Tagalog, because one night I was at a Cebuano household, and everyone started singing Tagalog songs. I knew it was Tagalog but how lost I was. They also like watching Tagalog TV shows over there. Edited by ElComadreja on 22 December 2013 at 4:31am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 60 of 145 29 December 2013 at 9:33am | IP Logged | ||
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Something I noticed with Cebuano... I said earlier that they prefer passive verbs, but I
may have discovered something else... They don't like using pronouns as direct objects (to him, for me) in normal speech. And so if I rearrange sentences so that this doesn't happen, I find that I end up in the right place. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4152 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog | Message 61 of 145 29 December 2013 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | ||
Do you like the Teach Yourself course? I was thinking about buying it, but I haven't decided yet. I enjoy your log - a very new-to-me approach, and an interesting language! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 62 of 145 29 December 2013 at 6:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yes I do, and I think you can get it as an e-book where you click on the spoken parts to
hear them. At first I was thinking "oh no, they are not going to explain the grammar", but they do :) Really, there's allot I'm skipping because I'm just reading the dialogues for the most part. (and thank you they put all the new vocab right next to them). Plus, there's allot of grammar that's the same as Cebuano. The author of the goldlist method kind of makes his lists while he goes through a book like this (or as he's reading through a bilingual text), but I can't stand breaking the flow all the time like that. Yes, I'm trying some different things for Cebuano because I don't have the same options as I have for say, Spanish. :) Edited by ElComadreja on 29 December 2013 at 6:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7246 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 63 of 145 07 January 2014 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, after reading about Iversen's bloodhound listening technique I may have a road
map to end of my journey... fluent listening. I recall thinking before that If I focus on the sounds of the language, I tend to understand it better. It's good to see this backed up my someone with greater accomplishments. I tried doing just that yesterday. I would listen to the sounds, not get anything, and then magically start getting something. Then I would start focusing on the meaning and lose it again. Maybe this is the way? Speaking skills are getting more solid, without too much effort (and several corrections by my friends) and confounded by my allergies for the last several weeks that give me a deep voice. This makes me incomprehensible to the Filipino in English or Cebuano. Cebuano goldlisting is done, several weeks ago (I only went to 7th distillations) I've worked all the way through the Tagalog TY dialogs (not audio) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4876 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 64 of 145 07 January 2014 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | ||
What do you mean by focusing on the meaning? Is it similar to translating what you hear into English in your head? That probably hurts your listening, because it slows you down. Yes, focus on the language (the sounds, if you will) and trust yourself to get the meaning eventually. I used to listen to a Korean podcast every night and my ability to focus on the language gradually got better and better. But I still have to focus on the language not to lose it. When you think of it, it's kind of nice... Sometimes I wish I could tune out German or English as well as I can tune out Korean... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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