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| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5261 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 377 of 431 26 October 2012 at 8:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I just read everything you guys wrote, and I understood most of it! Thank you, that was
very good practice! :) მარი,ძალიან ბედნიერი ვარ, რომ ასე ბევრი ქართველი ამ ფორუმში წერს. მეც ვსწავლობ ქართულს უკვე ერთ წელზე მეტია, როგორც თქვენი მეგობარი. :) Beginner's Georgian-ს ვიყენებდი და ახლა კი Aronson-ს ვიყენებ. Edited by zecchino1991 on 26 October 2012 at 8:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5467 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 378 of 431 27 October 2012 at 1:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
Expugnator, thanks for the welcome. It's good to be back! To be honest I'm not really sure what has helped me to progress most with my Georgian. When it comes to language learning, I've always believed that a bit of everything is best. I suppose my only other "method" is to move onto native materials as quickly as possible. My conversation classes are tough but I'm getting better slowly but surely. I'm often frustrated at what I can't say but sometimes surprise myself with what I can. With other languages I've found that speaking ability really only comes with practice, and that it is possible to reach a high reading standard without being able to speak at all, so I really recommend you get some speaking practice somehow or other if this is important to you. Have you heard about the Gold List method? There's lots of information about it on here. I got really into this a year or so ago, and although I was sceptical at first I managed to store lots of vocabulary in my long term memory thanks to it. Just the other day in my conversation lesson, I managed to dredge up the word for "garage" ფარეხი from my lists, and on other occasions I've surprised myself with გალია and დამრიგებელი. I don't know how it works, but it does. I've also watched a lot of TV on Rustavi-2, in particular a quiz show called "ra sad rodis". This is still very difficult, but each time I manage to pick up more and more. I've also watched a few recent Georgian movies. There is some great stuff being made, but of curse it's very difficult to understand. I guess listening is my weakest skill at the moment. And as I've written previously, I've bought loads of contemporary Georgian fiction from various sources. I really like this stuff as it is a window onto modern Georgian life and a good way to pick up vocab, sentence structure, slang, and conversational Georgian. There is also a great sense of satisfaction when you manage to understand a sentence, or a paragraph, or a whole page. People on here often talk about reading Harry Potter or The Little Prince in their target languages, but I must admit I find this idea quite crazy. Why would you read translated children's books when stuff is being written in your target language by much better writers about modern adult lives? Personal choice, I suppose, but for me an interest in a language is inextricably bound up with an interest in the country and culture of that language. One without the other is pointless. And finally, yes, I think writing is extremely useful. I notice on your log you often talk about not wanting to pick up bad habits, but personally I believe that practice is more important no matter how many mistakes you make. After all, at our age we will sadly never be perfect Georgian speakers, so it doesn't really matter if we make a few mistakes here and there. If you look back to the beginning of my log you'll see I wrote some pretty dreadful Georgian, but now I can write quite well. Anyway, I hope this all gives you food for thought. Let me know if the's anything else I can help you with. EDIT: By the way, I noticed you are working on the dialogs in the Continuing Course. I think these are completely brilliant. I can't recommend them enough! I've honestly never seen such good dialogs in any foreign language textbook. You'll learn a lot from them. Edited by TixhiiDon on 27 October 2012 at 1:13am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5169 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 379 of 431 27 October 2012 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
I also do a bit of everything myself. As for moving onto native materials, I still plan to finish the Continuing Course (which contains native material itself anyway).
I think I could already survive in Georgia as a tourist, but i need more practice in order to produce sentences more naturally. I can try to write short paragraphs each day, but I'm already doing this for French and Norwegian and I'm running out of subjects =D My life isn't that complex and I don't wanna get into culture, politics, quantum physics or any other tough subjects yet ;) I have yet to gather experience from other learners here at HTLAL on how they deal with the issue of lack of subjects on the HTLAL. I think if I manage to write I won't have much trouble talking, I just have to pay strong attention to the conversational markers available at Kiziria's dialogues at ACC and the Facebook posts from Georgians.
I did hear about it but forgot, will check again later.
Maybe it's still too early for me, but I have the impression I will be surprised with how much I can understand when I try.
Reminds me I have to browse back your log from the beginning, as I was doing with mine, in order to keep track of everything important.
The reason I'm going to start with universal classics is the familiarity with the text, that will allow me to focus on the language. Then I'll move on to the classics just for the sake of the availability. Even at the most obscure sites I think I only found the classics. Maybe if you give out a few names of contemporary authors I'd be glad to try. I have the very same problem with French or Norwegian. As for French, natives are always reluctant to point out contemporary authors as they seem not to be 'consolidated' yet as 'genuine' French culture. As for Norwegian, it's a matter of availability, I haven't figured out if I'll be able to order in anything other than euros or dollars with my card.
I couldn't agree more. They are so natural, they flow so logically, consistently and in a contextualized way that I can read one at a day at about 1 hour, even considering my current level that is still low, having to look up hundreds of words. zecchino1991 definitely needs them as well!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5261 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 380 of 431 28 October 2012 at 12:55am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
I don't know about you, but I don't mind writing about the same thing more than once. In fact, when I write something in my Georgian log, I usually go over to my Russian log and write basically the same thing, and vice versa. Or, you can just make things up. I've done that a few times haha.
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5169 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 381 of 431 28 October 2012 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
Oh I do. I wouldn't feel comfortable at making situations up, but maybe I could try writing short stories, which are way more difficult but also more interesting. I think I'm going to open a topic at the Language Techniques forum.
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| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5467 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 382 of 431 08 November 2012 at 12:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
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I am being punished for my sins in this life and all my past lives by Aronson Chapter
10. This is, for the tiny few of you who didn't know, the chapter dealing with the present perfect and pluperfect of Class I and Class III verbs. I thought I had this down fairly well, but sadly no. Someone please remind me never to attempt to make an unreal condition in Georgian ever. It's just not worth the hassle... By the way, unless I'm missing something, the usually completely reliable Aronson seems to contradict himself in this chapter. In the grammar notes he tells us that in sentences where we would use the pluperfect in English (for example "He had already spoken to his lawyer when he sent the letter"), Georgian uses either the aorist or the present perfect with უკვე, but then in the sentences for translation he goes on to use the Georgian pluperfect in exactly such sentences. For some reason (possibly because I'm on Day 4 of my latest attempt to quit smoking), this drove me into paroxysms of irritation, so I need some clarity from Murdoc, Mari, or any other passing Georgian. So, to say in Georgian "They had already received the information when the letter was sent to them", which of the following is better? 1. მათ ცნობები უკვე მიეღოთ, როცა მათ წერილი გაეგზავნა. (i.e. pluperfect) 2. მათ ცნობები უკვე მიიღეს, როცა მათ წერილი გაეგზავნა. (i.e. aorist) 3. მათ ცნობები უკვე მიუღიათ, როცა მათ წერილი გაეგზავნა. (i.e. present perfect) წინასწარ მადლობა. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| marich27 Triglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 5420 days ago 41 posts - 42 votes Speaks: Georgian*, EnglishC2, Dutch | Message 383 of 431 08 November 2012 at 12:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
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The first part of the 1st sentence is correct, but I would change the 2nd part into როცა
მათ წერილი გაუგზავნეს. Btw, Aronson is focused on rather formal Georgian which is not bad but maybe it's also interesting to know how the same idea will sound in everyday language. Here it is: მათ ცნობები (უკვე) მიღებული ჰქონდათ როცა წერილი გაუგზავნეს. წარმატებები! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| marich27 Triglot Groupie Netherlands Joined 5420 days ago 41 posts - 42 votes Speaks: Georgian*, EnglishC2, Dutch | Message 384 of 431 08 November 2012 at 12:50am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
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მარი,ძალიან ბედნიერი ვარ, რომ ასე ბევრი ქართველი ამ ფორუმში წერს. მეც ვსწავლობ ქართულს უკვე ერთ წელზე მეტია, როგორც თქვენი მეგობარი. :) Beginner's Georgian-ს ვიყენებდი და ახლა კი Aronson-ს ვიყენებ. [/QUOTE] zecchino1991, ყოჩაღ!ძალიან გამართული ქართულით გაქვს ეს წინადადებები დაწერილი. ერთ წელში ბევრი გისწავლია :) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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