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| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5466 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 289 of 431 11 January 2012 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I've been getting right back into the Georgian groove this week with lots of hours of
study. I'm still working on Hewitt on my iPad. I'm onto Chapter 9 now, and good old George continues to clear up lots of things for me that I'd never really understood properly from the other textbooks. For example, I think I finally have at least a vague idea of when the strong aorist endings are used. He still goes into excessive detail, and he has an unhealthy fascination with grammatical terminology, and the dialogues continue to be completely divorced from reality, but all in all this is a good book and not worth the slating it gets on Amazon. I also restarted both my language exchange and my group class this week. The language exchange was just OK. We started out in English so I told my partner all my interesting anecdotes from my trip to Tbilisi in English, leaving me with nothing much to say when we switched to Georgian. It has also been a relatively long time since I actually spoke any Georgian, so I was quite rusty. Couldn't even dredge up the word for "hotel" from the depths of my brain. I'm sure I'll get back into the swing of things soon though. The group lesson tonight was the usual mix of painfully long silences and discussion of the finer points of obscure Georgian grammar rules, in Japanese of course. You'd have thought, wouldn't you, that people would want to practice saying what they did last week more than to debate the optative of irregular Class II verbs in their native language? Apparently not.... However, we're going to look at participle formation next week, and this is something I have pretty much completely ignored up to now, so I'm looking forward to it. I have two sentences I've been thinking about over the last couple of days, and I'm not sure how to say them in Georgian, so Murdoc, if you're around, could you check these for me? 1) She was busy preparing to go to America. დაკავებული იყო ამერიკაში წასვლის მომზადებით. I don't know if it's possible to pair ამერიკაში with წასვლა to mean "going to America". 2) This is the book Medea told me she wanted to read ეს ის წიგნია რომელზეც მედეამ მითხრა მინდა წავიკითხოო. Or maybe: ეს ის წიგნია მედეამ რომ მითხრა მინდა წავიკითხოო. I'm also still ploughing through მოცემულობა. It's a little more difficult than his other books, and to be honest, not quite as interesting, even though it started out so well. The murder case has been all but forgotten and there's lots of rubbish about what is life and what is death and all that malarkey. Still, I'll be finished soon, and then I'll either go back to მგლები or pick something else from my pile of Georgian books. Edited by TixhiiDon on 12 January 2012 at 12:00am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5256 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 290 of 431 12 January 2012 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
TixhiiDon,
დაკავებული იყო ამერიკაში წასასვლელად მომზადებით.
They both sound right to me, though it'd be probably more natural or casual to say წაკითხვა მინდაო instead of მინდა წავიკითხოო. პ.ს. მე პირადად არ წამიკითხავს, მაგრამ "მგლები" ძალიან დაბალი დონის წიგნად ითვლება საქართველოში, საბჭოთა კრიმინალური მენტალიტეტის უნიჭო პროპაგანდაა. არჩევანის საშუალება თუ გაქვს, სხვა წიგნი წაიკითხე :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5466 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 291 of 431 12 January 2012 at 11:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Murdoc, დიდი მადლობა დახმარებისთვის. არ ვიცოდი რომ მგლებს ასე ცუდი რეპუტაცია აქვს
საქართველოში. ამას წინათ დაახლოებით 50 გვერდი წავიკითხე და მეც მეგონა ძალიან სულელი წიგნია-მეთქი :) მაინტერესებს აკა მორცილაძეს წიგნები და Maid In Tiflis და ერთი მოთხრობების კრება ვიყიდე თბილისში, მაგრამ ცოტა ძნელია ჩემთვის. შენი საყვარელი ქართველი მწერალი ვინ არი? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5260 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 292 of 431 13 January 2012 at 11:00am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Wow, I can't wait until I can read/write that much! I think I understand the first part that says "Thank you very much for your help. I didn't know that Mglebi had such a bad reputation in Georgia." And the last one I think means "Who is your favorite Georgian author?" I understand some more words here and there, but not everything. Makes me want to study even harder! :) Edited by zecchino1991 on 13 January 2012 at 11:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Murdoc Triglot Senior Member Georgia Joined 5256 days ago 113 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Georgian*, English, Russian | Message 293 of 431 13 January 2012 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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TixhiiDon,
არაფრის. აკა მორჩილაძე მომწონს, თანამედროვე ქართველი მწერლებიდან ალბათ ყველაზე მეტადაც. ჩემი საყვარელი ქართველი მწერლები კი რა თქმა უნდა ძველ თაობებს წარმოადგენენ: ვაჟა–ფშაველა, მიხეილ ჯავახიშვილი, ილია ჭავჭავაძე, გალაკტიონ ტაბიძე, ნიკოლოზ ბარათაშვილი. შედარებით გვიანდელი – გიორგი ლეონიძე, გურამ დოჩანაშვილი, გურამ რჩეულიშვილი, ჭაბუა ამირეჯიბი.
ძალიან სულელური წიგნია. სულელი მხოლოდ სულიერზე ითქმის.
მოთხრობების კრებული ვიყიდე. კრება – gathering of people კრებული – collection zecchino1991, ყველაფერი სწორია. Edited by Murdoc on 13 January 2012 at 9:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5168 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 294 of 431 17 January 2012 at 12:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hi Tixhiidon!
Just to inform you I've started my own log (finally!). I do plan to continue following yours, thanks for all the help! Here it is. http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=30846&PN=1 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5466 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 295 of 431 18 January 2012 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The group lesson at Asahi Culture Center last night was really good. I am all over
Georgian participles! Apart from learning the rules to actually form them (which, no surprise at all, are full of exceptions and irregularities), we learned some fantastic set phrases and idioms that use them. Feast your eyes on these: დამზადებულია იაპონიაში: "Made in Japan", with the past participle of დამზადება, "to prepare" or "to make", i.e. "that which was made". ჩემი შემშინებელი არავინ არის: "I'm not scared of anyone", with the, oh, come to think of it, I don't actually know the name of this participle in English... 能動分詞 in Japanese, of შეშინება, "to scare", i.e. "he who scares". გასაწითლებელი ამბავი: "An embarrassing occurrence", with the future participle of გაწითლება, "to go red" or "to make red", i.e. an event that will make me go red. Along the same lines, გასაგიჟებელი ამბავი: "A crazy occurrence", with the future participle of გაგიჟება "to go/make crazy", i.e. an event that will make me crazy. ნაჭამი ვარ: "I am full", with the perfect participle of ჭამა, "to eat". ნასვამი ვარ: "I am drunk", with the perfect participle of სვამს "to drink". ნაყინი, which means "ice-cream" and is in fact a perfect participle meaning "that which has been frozen" from ყინავს. ეს არ არის გასაფუჭებელი: "This is not to be broken", or in other words "You better not break this or I won't be responsible for my actions!", using the future participle of გააფუჭებს. წერილი მაქვს გასაგზავნი: "I have a letter to be sent", i.e. "I've got to send a letter". გაცნობილი მყავს: "I've met him before" (but we're not close). სულ არა ხარ შეცვლილი! "You haven't changed a bit!" And I could go on and on. All fantastically useful stuff, right? At the group class we study using a textbook from Georgia, which was produced for the Georgian Language summer school at Tbilisi University (which I would give my eye teeth to participate in), and a Japanese textbook produced especially for Asahi Culture Center, which is currently being extensively revised for publication by our teacher Medea's husband, Yasuhiro Kojima. Both texts simplify things a lot, lay out the rules quickly and easily, and then provide a few exercises. This is in stark contrast to Hewitt, and to a lesser extent Aronson (Kiziria doesn't even get round to participles in Beginner's Georgian), who wind themselves up in endless explanation of tiny irregularities in obscure verbs that no-one would ever need in general daily conversation, so much so that the initial, basic rules become completely lost in all the surrounding noise. When the Asahi textbook is published I would almost go so far as to say that it's worth learning Japanese just to be able to use it to learn Georgian! It's really that good - best in the world, I reckon. Edited by TixhiiDon on 19 January 2012 at 2:47am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Hendriklohuis Diglot Newbie NetherlandsRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6182 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: Dutch*, Russian Studies: Georgian, Pashto | Message 296 of 431 20 January 2012 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Dear Tixhiidon,
It's good to see you've been back to Georgia too! I've been to Georgia last year for a couple of days and had the pleasure to visit Tbilisi. I'm really curious about the book that is used by the Georgian Summer University and the Asahi textbook. Too bad the latter is not in English. Do you have the idea it would be worth trying to translate it some day? The Georgian Summer University is expensive but still it could be worth it. Or, alternatively, go to Georgia for half a year with Teach and Learn in Georgia. Georgian language classes at the Ivane Javakhisvili Tbilisi State University are not too expensive either (GEL 200 a month; see: http://www.tsu.edu.ge/en/faculties/faculty_of_humanities/lan guage_center and http://www.tsu.edu.ge/en/faculties/faculty_of_humanities/lan guage_center/essential_information_ Kind regards, Hendrik 1 person has voted this message useful |
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