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| I'm With Stupid Senior Member Vietnam Joined 4172 days ago 165 posts - 349 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Vietnamese | Message 65 of 106 28 August 2013 at 8:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Actually, the research shows that teenagers learn the quickest, adults are second and younger children are actually the slowest. But people who start earlier typically learn it to a higher standard. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4621 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 66 of 106 28 August 2013 at 9:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've no doubt that teenage kids who are thrust into an immersion environment learn quickly....largely because they have to. But those learning a foreign language in school do not perform as well as adults attempting the same task. It's probably not a true comparison because teenagers often don't have a choice in the matter whereas an adult will start learning a languge because of necessity or simply because they want to. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4470 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto | Message 67 of 106 30 August 2013 at 12:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It's a bit off topic and a bit of a pet peeve of mine but I think it does not mean much to count in years, especially when we are talking about school years.
I don't know what "6 years" means in your country Cavesa though. But recently, when talking with a high school teacher from my home country, she mentioned that in grade 12, her students have 2 hours per week in each language. That's about 66 hours for the full year 12. On HTLAL, most people would do the equivalent of this "full year" in anywhere between 2 weeks and 4 months. So I think,we should be careful when counting in years. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| I'm With Stupid Senior Member Vietnam Joined 4172 days ago 165 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Vietnamese | Message 68 of 106 30 August 2013 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Obviously any study would be done in a controlled environment. But I find schools seem to get a lot of stick on this website, presumably because of people's personal negative experiences with them when they were kids. But we have to remember that the countries that have over 80% of people speaking a foreign language to a high standard do so because of schools, not because there's some sort of innate desire to learn a foreign language in their population. Do adults in Sweden or the Netherlands learn faster than teenagers, for example, or just in countries where the school system is bad for language teaching? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 69 of 106 30 August 2013 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The Dutch school system fails to teach French and German adequately.
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| I'm With Stupid Senior Member Vietnam Joined 4172 days ago 165 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Vietnamese | Message 70 of 106 30 August 2013 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Not to mention the difference in regularity. What's the chances that those school kids are getting those two hours a week in just one or two sessions? That was certainly the case when I was in school. I don't know if it's true, but my instinct would be that someone who has four 30 minute lessons a week would learn faster than someone who has a single 2 hour lesson a week, despite the total time studied being equal. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| I'm With Stupid Senior Member Vietnam Joined 4172 days ago 165 posts - 349 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Vietnamese | Message 71 of 106 30 August 2013 at 7:50pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What do they do differently compared to English though? Obviously there's more motivation to learn English, but I imagine it also gets priority in terms of time and resources. Are French and German compulsory in the Netherlands, for example, and if so, from the same age? I know there are a significant number of bi-lingual schools there. Are there any trilingual schools? The Philippines also successfully teaches English to a very high standard despite neighbouring countries with equal motivation to learn failing to do so. Edited by I'm With Stupid on 30 August 2013 at 7:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 72 of 106 30 August 2013 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
French is taught for three years in high school, German for two. From that point on there is a choice between either. Maybe in the lower regions of education it is only German that is taught, I am not sure, but everyone is taught German and at least 95% of people or so has been taught French. Quite many at least. There are bilingual schools but they are practically all Dutch-English. Near the border a few exist that teach in German. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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