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| Superking Diglot Groupie United States polyglutwastaken.blo Joined 6671 days ago 87 posts - 194 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Mandarin | Message 57 of 60 14 March 2012 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Personally, I would rather sidestep the whole issue of the number 10,000. I would caution people not to take numbers like that too literally, as the principal reason it caught on like it did is because it's such an aesthetically pleasing number. 1 followed by 4 zeroes. Are you not fluent if you've logged 9,941 hours of productive learning, practice, and immersion, simply because you're 59 hours short? Of course not. "10,000" is at best a placeholder for the idea that expertise doesn't come overnight and is hard earned after a long period of absorption and reproduction of ideas, and at worst possibly a disingenuous attempt to earn money by peddling a pretty number as scientific truth.
However, there was a very potentially fruitful question in the original post, which is: Are large amounts of study in one day just as productive as much smaller amounts spread over longer periods of time? This may be a question without a universal answer, but I will say that the law of diminishing returns is of the brethren of death and taxes -- it is inevitable. I can spend an hour, maybe two or three, learning something in one day. But I spend time with my wife, I have a job, I must sleep and eat, etc. and I must also have time to absorb what I've learned. There comes a point where my brain simply won't accept anymore knowledge at one time and shouts for me to stop reading books and just relax for a while. For me, if I can get in an hour (or even 30 minutes) a day, and do that every single day, then that's a sustainable level of practice that will get me where I want to go. Trying to fit in 6+ hours a day of ANYTHING is going to burn me out and make me want to quit. Learning is, of course, a lot like watering a plant. Over the course of the plant's life, it will be fed a quantity of many, many gallons of water. Yet if you try to give it all the water at once, you will probably drown it. The best way is to give it as much as it's able to absorb on a regular basis, giving it more the more it grows, and that will ensure a much longer, healthier life. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Chill Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5193 days ago 68 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French | Message 58 of 60 14 March 2012 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | ||
Seriously, check out the AJATT site. It sounds like the method was made for you. Khatzumoto himself followed it when he was a full time university student, with two part time jobs and a girlfriend. The 10,000 hours is of passive listening, not active studying. It comes out to 18 to 24 hours a day, every day for 18 months! Personally, I am convinced that Khatzumoto has come up with something fundamentally different from what everyone else is doing. But no matter what, there are a lot of good ideas over at the blog. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4729 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 59 of 60 15 March 2012 at 10:12am | IP Logged | ||
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Personally, I think Khatzumoto used TONS of other material to learn. Nothing can come from nothing. A language with fundamentally different grammar can not just be cracked by having examples. Maybe it can, if you just do "over 9000" sentences, but IMHO, that's a lot of time wasted.
AJATT has some nice, long-winded, cool-worded motivational postings, saying next to nothing in a lot of words, that's my impression. The whole site could be formulated in 3 sentences. He has some followers tho. A billion flies can't be wrong: Shit tastes great. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| mr_intl_dj Newbie United States Joined 6712 days ago 23 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English | Message 60 of 60 16 March 2012 at 1:39am | IP Logged | ||
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@ atama warui - Dude, that's so funny!
10,000 hours - ............. still laughing at message 59 and another post somewhere else that Ari wrote. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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