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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 30 28 September 2011 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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My daughter is in her third year of Spanish, and like me she speaks with an Andalusian accent. She is not fluent by a long shot, so she speaks slowly, and with a simplified vocabulary. She does however differentiate between c/z and s (which we do in both Almeria, Granada capital and Jaen where I and she have learned our Spanish) and she also cuts s and d from the end of the syllable.
Her teacher, who is from Peru, is trying to bully her into speaking with a Latin-American accent, and not make any differentiation between c/z and s, claiming that it is too difficult to understand for her. Since I have spoken Andalusian for 38 years, and never ever met a native Spaniard or Latin-American who did not understand my Spanish, and my accent is a lot heavier than hers and comes out 5 times faster, I find that incredibly difficult to believe. My best friend is also from Peru, and she has never had any problems with my accent. I would have understood it if she had asked her to put in s and d at the end of the syllable,even though in my opinion she should be able to deal with that too, but to say that it is difficult to understand it because of the differenciation between c/z and s I find unbelievable. Had it not been for the fact that my daughter is the most truthful person I know, I would have accused her of lying. So what do you think, is it half way credible, that someone who is a native speaker would not be able to handle that you do not have the "seseo"? Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 28 September 2011 at 4:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Renaçido Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5083 days ago 34 posts - 60 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English, French Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, Latin | Message 2 of 30 29 September 2011 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | ||
I really don't think it's hard to understand that sort of Spanish once you get used to it, and I find it even incredible and outraging that he/she is trying to force her to change her accent! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| KimG Diglot Groupie Norway Joined 4976 days ago 88 posts - 104 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Portuguese, Swahili | Message 3 of 30 29 September 2011 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is this in a Norwegian school? I thought the Norwegian schools taught european Spanish, so the european dialects of Spanish would be prefered rather than south american?
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| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5261 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 4 of 30 29 September 2011 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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¡Por favor! This is unbelievable! Since Andalusian Spanish is a part of your daughter's heritage, through you and her own experience in Andalusia, you should go to her school and speak (in Spanish) to your daughter's teacher and give her a piece of your mind. I would be offended if I were in your place, Solfrid.
Your daughter is far more likely to visit Andalusia, or anywhere else in Spain for that matter, than Peru. Spain is a part of the EU and cheap charters fly from all over Europe every day. I'm sure that your daughter's teacher wouldn't like to be told to modify her accent in order to be "understood" in Sevilla, Cádiz or even Madrid! The Spanish speaking world is full of accents. I have a Caribbean accent and I wouldn't appreciate being told to change it. I'm proud of it. ¡increíble! Edited by iguanamon on 29 September 2011 at 9:01pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5333 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 5 of 30 30 September 2011 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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Unfortunately, it is very difficult to find qualified Spanish teachers, so often what they hire are native speakers with no formal qualifications. The head masters have no clue that there are differences between the two dialects, and does not demand that they know both variants. My daughter's previous teacher was a Colombian, and we were on the best of terms. He had no problem with the fact that she spoke Andalusian, in fact he was over the moon that there was anyone who knew any Spanish at all.
And I really do feel like giving her a piece of my mind - in Spanish - and preferably on the phone, so she can't see me, just hear me speak. I know Andalusian can be difficult to understand when spoken in high speed by a native, but again, my daughter is not that advanced, and I am really mad that her teacher is trying to bully her into dropping her accent. Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 30 September 2011 at 7:14pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7014 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 6 of 30 30 September 2011 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't think they should. If a similar situation happened to me I think that I'd give the teacher a piece of my mind. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5429 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 7 of 30 30 September 2011 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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Go Solfrid, go. This is ridiculous. I can't believe that any Latin American teacher would say something like this. Most Latin Americans have been exposed to Continental Spanish accents and don't have a problem with it.
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| LorenzoGuapo Triglot Groupie United States Joined 6443 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: French | Message 8 of 30 01 October 2011 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I wouldn't take it too seriously, while I was taking Portuguese classes my teacher was from Brazil and insisted that I pronounce words the brazilian way like de nada as Jee Nada, but I told her I learned the Continental Portuguese way De Nada, so I think it's good to not be locked into one accent and be able to understand people from different locations.
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