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| Leipzig Hexaglot Newbie Wales Joined 4649 days ago 22 posts - 33 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC2, Lowland Scots, SpanishC2, Portuguese, Catalan Studies: Welsh, Tok Pisin, German, Italian | Message 9 of 30 01 October 2011 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ach, this is one of the problems that I've always abhorred, which you get with a
minority of individuals teaching their native language; they can be convinced that their dialect is what the entire class should be aiming for. Funnily enough, I had the opposite situation - throughout my education, there were one or two teachers (including university lecturers who really should have known better!) who would admonish me for speaking in porteño Spanish and not Peninsular Spanish. Your daughter will be understood by nearly everyone wherever she goes, and the idea that something as little as distinguishing between /θ/ and /s/ or dropping a few consonants will impede her ability to communicate is absolute codswallop. This teacher has no right to try to modify her accent one bit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| getreallanguage Diglot Senior Member Argentina youtube.com/getreall Joined 5317 days ago 240 posts - 371 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Italian, Dutch | Message 10 of 30 01 October 2011 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Someone who claims not to understand an Andalusian accent has no business getting paid to teach Spanish. I am a native Rioplatense Spanish speaker and I have practically no trouble understanding Andalusian Spanish. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5180 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 11 of 30 01 October 2011 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | ||
Trust me, if that was me in that class room, she would not have deared to try to change my accent, but this is my 15 year old daughter, who is not so stubborn as I am. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| LorenzoGuapo Triglot Groupie United States Joined 6290 days ago 79 posts - 94 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: French | Message 12 of 30 02 October 2011 at 12:19am | IP Logged | ||
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@ Solfrid Cristina, that's quite understandable.
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| LanguageSponge Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5612 days ago 1197 posts - 1487 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Welsh, Russian, Japanese, Slovenian, Greek, Italian | Message 13 of 30 02 October 2011 at 7:34am | IP Logged | ||
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So, I don't speak Spanish to a level that is good enough to answer the query in this
topic effectively, and I certainly don't have the knowledge required about the dialects involved. However, unless the Andalusian accent and pronunciation is radically different from that of the Peruvian one, making it genuinely difficult to understand for speakers of "Peruvian Spanish", for want of a better expression, then there's no reason why your daughter should be forced to change her accent or pronunciation. Also, now having just looked up the Andalusian varieties of Spanish, Andalusian seems to be the "most distinct of the southern varieties of peninsular Spanish" and is the "second most spoken dialect in Spain". These facts for me alone say that your daughter's teacher should be able to understand at the very least, and if she doesn't, which I doubt, she should certainly not be above taking the time and making the effort to get used to the way your daughter speaks Spanish. She has absolutely no right, in my opinion, to influence your daughter's pronunciation. This just sounds like your daughter's teacher views her own way of speaking Spanish as the way it should be spoken. Which in itself is okay, I suppose, but she should keep that opinion to herself. In any case, I think it's great that your daughter (and you, for that matter, Solfrid) use anything but the standard language :] To give you some kind of comparison, I am very quickly getting used to and therefore adopting the way that my girlfriend speaks French. She's from Brussels and her pronunciation is a little different in places to what I learnt as Standard French, and her grammar is a bit different in places. We have a few mutual French friends, none of whom seem to notice when she, or even I as a supposed learner, use expressions found in Belgian French instead of the standard language. In my view the vocabulary things are very small but the grammar differences are fairly major - and yet none of our friends try to change the way we speak, except for one or two little vocabulary things that have become inside jokes. In short, I think your daughter's teacher is being very unreasonable, especially now we've heard from a couple of native speakers who don't think the teacher in question should have any trouble. Jack Edited by LanguageSponge on 02 October 2011 at 7:39am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| drp9341 Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 4758 days ago 115 posts - 217 votes Speaks: Italian, English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French Studies: Japanese | Message 14 of 30 05 October 2011 at 6:40am | IP Logged | ||
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I just got back from andalucia recently, and I had no problem understanding it. And I was used to mexicans lol.
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 4902 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 15 of 30 05 October 2011 at 7:56am | IP Logged | ||
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They drop final s. Does it mean that there is no plural for nouns and adjectives?
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| Hierbabuena Newbie Spain Joined 4874 days ago 19 posts - 36 votes Speaks: Spanish* Studies: EnglishB2, Mandarin | Message 16 of 30 05 October 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged | ||
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There are still plurals because we pronunce the preceding vowel slightly different
(depending of your Andalusian accent this is done in differents ways, usually we just make it longer). It's the same with final consonants, in some Andalusian accents (or because of the following word or if we are speaking really fast) are droped, but in others we make the vowel longer finishing with the tongue in the same position as we where about to pronunce the consonant, but we don't. This change a little the sound of the vocal and we can tell the difference. I think it's the same than in Korean. 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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