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| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4624 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 1 of 10 14 February 2013 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The Yorkshire dialect of English has a curious habit of omitting articles. Not just in stereotypical phrases such
as "I'll put kettle on" but frequently in everyday speech. I was waiting on bus..... I gave driver ten pound note... Found seat up the back. Where does this practice originate from? Not using articles is something I associate more with Slavic languages, not Germanic ones. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 2 of 10 14 February 2013 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Germanic languages did not originally have articles either. In Old English articles only
started to appear (to become obligatory). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PinkCordelia Diglot Newbie Wales Joined 4813 days ago 31 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Italian, Welsh | Message 3 of 10 14 February 2013 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I lived in Yorkshire for 15 years although a native of London. To me it often sounded as
though the article was severely shortened rather than missing. For example, 'I was ont bus'. Obviously, it's easier to stick that /t/ onto the end of some words than others and the example I've given is one where it would be clearly distinguished. I also heard older colleagues shorten 'the' to just the consonant sound (if that's possible) but sound it as a distinct word/syllable rather than a modification of the preceding word/syllable. E.g. 'I used to work down tuh pit.' (No stereotypes here then.) However what conclusion you might draw from that I've no idea. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5834 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 4 of 10 14 February 2013 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I agree with PinkCordelia, the definite article is shortened, not omitted.
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| wber Groupie United States Joined 4303 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Vietnamese, French | Message 5 of 10 15 February 2013 at 12:39am | IP Logged | |||||
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I also agree with PinkCordelia. There might an odd expression or two that doesn't use articles but they're the exception. For some words, we slur the article. Other times, the /t/ by itself feels out of place, so it becomes a mix of t and d. And then there are those times we copy the French with the liaison. This is more often with indefinite articles though.
Ex. He is going to store (here, "store" would be a verb as in to store) He is going to the store ( here, with the definite article, "store" is now a noun) Articles can change the entire meaning of what you want to say. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4667 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 6 of 10 15 February 2013 at 11:59am | IP Logged | |||||
This just turned up (from an unrelated source) in my inbox:
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| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5834 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 7 of 10 15 February 2013 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Those are great dampingwire.
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| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4667 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 8 of 10 15 February 2013 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Having butted in, I think I should contribute something more substantial.
Yorkshire DIalect Society: http://www.yorkshiredialectsociety.org.uk/. Some real "Yorkshire" from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScELaXMCVis. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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