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How long to read French aloud correctly?

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 Message 17 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:16pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
Ok, I tend to follow the (roundabout) rule for French that an o is long unless there's a double consonant behind it.

That certainly does not work: policier, codification, solide, logarithme, etc., are all open o. Although I can't speak for Belgian French, there are a lot of long vowels in my dialect as well, and all of these are short too.


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 Message 18 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:21pm | IP Logged 
In general I think "o" (without circumflex) is close only before "s" followed by "e" and in all those word-final syllables listed above by Arekkusu. Could be wrong, though. And as far as "o" length goes, I don't know anything. :-)

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 Message 19 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:40pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
Ok, I tend to follow the (roundabout) rule for French that an o is long unless there's
a double consonant behind it.
....

What exactly is a long o? I know the o vowel or any o sound are pronounced "open" or "closed".

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 Message 20 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:45pm | IP Logged 
In Dutch vowel length matters. The difference between o and oo (long o) is that it's an o
sound but it's held on to for much loooooooooooonger, so that you get a distinctive
different o sound.

For me, it sounds like soooooooooolide, and not sollide. Un roooman poooolicié. Is that
what you mean, Arekkusu? That the "o" in solide should be pronounced as if the word was
written sollide (with the ll sound of ville)?
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 Message 21 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:51pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
In Dutch vowel length matters. The difference between o and oo (long o) is that it's an o
sound but it's held on to for much loooooooooooonger, so that you get a distinctive
different o sound.

For me, it sounds like soooooooooolide, and not sollide. Un roooman poooolicié. Is that
what you mean, Arekkusu? That the "o" in solide should be pronounced as if the word was
written sollide (with the ll sound of ville)?

Long o and closed o are the same. In solide, roman, policier, we have a short, open o, as in botte.
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 Message 22 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:52pm | IP Logged 
"solide" has the vowel sound of "sol" and "somme". I don't think that changing the number of Ls after the "o" changes the vowel quality at all (e.g. "solliciter" and "solitude" have the same initial "o" sound).

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 Message 23 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:55pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
tarvos wrote:
In Dutch vowel length matters. The difference between
o and oo (long o) is that it's an o
sound but it's held on to for much loooooooooooonger, so that you get a distinctive
different o sound.

For me, it sounds like soooooooooolide, and not sollide. Un roooman poooolicié. Is that
what you mean, Arekkusu? That the "o" in solide should be pronounced as if the word was
written sollide (with the ll sound of ville)?

Long o and closed o are the same. In solide, roman, policier, we have a short, open o,
as in botte.


That sounds weird to me. But I'll keep that in mind. Maybe it's just a quirk that
sprung through the trap of Dutch people learning French at school. Thanks.
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 Message 24 of 29
13 March 2013 at 4:59pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
In Dutch vowel length matters. The difference between o and oo (long o) is that it's an o
sound but it's held on to for much loooooooooooonger, so that you get a distinctive
different o sound.

For me, it sounds like soooooooooolide, and not sollide. Un roooman poooolicié. Is that
what you mean, Arekkusu? That the "o" in solide should be pronounced as if the word was
written sollide (with the ll sound of ville)?

There's no vowel length in French. Whether you say solide or sooolide, policier or pooolicier, roman or rooooman the o sound remains the same because those words are pronounced with a open o.




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