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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5227 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 25 of 29 13 March 2013 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
You're right; however, there is a general tendancy (predictable in some dialects) for closed o to be longer than open o, such as in word pairs like cote / côte. In other dialects, this distinction has entirely disappeared, so there is definitely some variety to be found. Historically, ô developped from os -- as the s faded away, the o became longer and filled the place of the s (côte/coast, hôpital/hospital, rôti/roast, etc.). In Québec French, a dialect that has mostly kept this length, length generally leads to diphthongisation, which never occurs with short vowels. Edited by Arekkusu on 13 March 2013 at 5:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Krokodyl Diglot Newbie France Joined 4169 days ago 3 posts - 5 votes Speaks: French*, English | Message 26 of 29 13 March 2013 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
That is true for Canadian French. But for Parisian French it is all /o/ sound as in rose (though in the south of France, even rose would be pronunced with /ɔ/). For the good of learners here, you should not state that as a fact. The pronunciation differs from places to places. I guess it all comes down to how you want to sound : Canadian, Parisian, Belgian etc. Depending on your travels, your interests or any personal reasons, you will pick one over the others. Here is an interesting read regarding different sounds that Parisian French lost over the years. Prononciation français#Changements historiques Being from the center of France, where pronunciation is the same as in the capital, I can agree with some of it. To my ears : patte=pâte, brin=brun, gnon=nion, mettre=maître, de=deux But I can tell the difference between jeune and jeûne, cote and côte, fait and fée. Only for the "syllabes non accentuées" is the difference lost. I think it's important to know what "French" you're learning. I had met, in the US, a woman from the south of France teaching French and her students were not even aware of her strong accent and pronunciation quirks, which they grasped on in a way. Edited by Krokodyl on 13 March 2013 at 5:18pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4511 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 27 of 29 13 March 2013 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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^ Really interesting! I was aware of the lost distinction between "un" and "in", but I had just been going by the IPA in dictionaries for "o", in which all those words have /ɔ/.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5227 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 28 of 29 13 March 2013 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
Le Petit Robert states it as a fact. Otherwise, yes, it varies from place to place. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5658 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 29 of 29 13 March 2013 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
I knew about Paris and how they speak differently over there but those changes are worst than I thought. It makes me wonder whether theses different collapses of sounds are one of the reasons why people nowadays, and the new generations, can't spell words right when they write in forums. I speak French still the way (west coast) I learnt it around 50 years ago when "fait" and "fée", "jeune" and "jeûne", "cote" and "côte" were two different sounds the same way there are two different spellings. And saying one for another would have sounded very odd even from a native. 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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