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| Bonensoep Diglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4473 days ago 8 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 1 of 7 22 August 2013 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi guys,
So here it is, my language learning log. I've been waiting eagerly for my gap year, in which I can finally devote as much time as I want to learning a language. I have chosen Italian, simply because I think it sounds lovely, but also because there are a few cities in Italy that I would like to visit (someday). I guess I'll start by saying a few things about myself: Currently I am 17 years old, my native language is Dutch, and I graduated from high school about two months ago. Languages I've studied so far are English, German, French and Latin. Seven years ago I started learning English is school, though I learned most of the things I know through TV shows and other media. German came into view a year after that, but thanks to our education system I am left with a head full of grammar and a miniscule vocabulary. French, I only studied for three years and I've forgotten most of it. As for Latin: I can only translate it with the help of a dictionary. But I think that five and a half years of experience with a relatively complicated grammatical structure may come in handy. Beside that I am extremely interested in all kinds of languages and linguistic topics, including fictional languages. I still want to make one myself, but I'll have to read up on it some more. Now to the point: I'm going to start with Assimil Italian With Ease. For more exposure I will be looking for Italian radio stations and/or movies, read stuff on the Italian Wikipedia, and probably find someone to write to/speak with once I gain some confidence. My goal for now is pretty simple: finish the Assimil course (and actually reach B2 level, because according to Dutch educational guidelines I should speak German at B2 level, which I do not). One other thing I would like to be able to do, at some point in time, is read my Italian version of Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards!. We'll see after that. Sooo... this had been a post. Maybe, just maybe, I will add some notes about German, because I would like to work on that as well. There is also a slight chance of Mongolian early next year, because I will be staying there for one month. (P.S. One thing I already know is that I am unable to pronounce the Italian 'r'. I use the uvular trill in Dutch. If someone can help me with this I would be forever grateful.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4709 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 2 of 7 23 August 2013 at 9:45am | IP Logged | ||
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Ik kon de Italiaanse r ook niet uitspreken en heb hem apart moeten leren (ik had hem
nodig voor Russisch en Roemeens en later Zweeds). Wat je moet doen is het woord krentenbrood pakken, en ipv de huig-r eerst een d proberen uit te spreken op die positie. "Kdentenbdood, kdentenbdood". De truc is nu dat ipv een d, je de r soort van aan moet tikken om hem netjes te krijgen - een keer tikken is genoeg, maar als je dat kan, ga je hem vanzelf rollen. Het heeft me twee maanden van ridicuul krentenbrood uitspreken gekost, maar ik kan hem nu. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Bonensoep Diglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4473 days ago 8 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 3 of 7 24 August 2013 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Dankjewel, ik zal het gaan oefenen!
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| Bonensoep Diglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4473 days ago 8 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 4 of 7 25 August 2013 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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So far I've listened to lessons 0 through 3, and I think I picked up well on the
conjugation of essere, avere and the -are verbs. There isn't much else to say right now, but I do have a question, for anyone who is willing to answer it. Are there any specific rules on stress for the -are verbs? Because abbitiamo and lavora, for example, feel very natural to me, but then you have abitano? The two words that sound odd to me are abitano and lavorano, so does it have something to do with third person plural? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4667 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 5 of 7 26 August 2013 at 12:58am | IP Logged | ||
The stress is "generally" on the last vowel of the stem, except for noi and voi forms. But a quick google will show you that it's about as useful a rule as that "i before e except after c", which has hundreds of exceptions. You can find your two specific words here http://it.forvo.com/word/abitano/#it and here http://it.forvo.com/search/lavorano/. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| OCCASVS Tetraglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6645 days ago 134 posts - 140 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Italian*, English, French, Polish | Message 6 of 7 26 August 2013 at 1:38am | IP Logged | ||
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Hoi :) I wish you a good journey with Italian learning!
Teaching Italian to foreigners, I found out that the 3rd pers.pl. has usually the stress one sillable 'backwards' in comparison to the other plural persons. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Bonensoep Diglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4473 days ago 8 posts - 9 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 7 of 7 07 September 2013 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Okay. The most important thing I've come across so far is this: my complete and utter
lack of discipline. I am having a lot of trouble listening to lessons regularly, so that's why there haven't been any updates. From now on I AM going to do one lesson a day (... I hope). One reason for skipping days is that I'm afraid that this will end up like German. That I spend a lot of time studying and end up with only basic sentences. Ugh. Anyway, on the bright side, the r is coming along well. I'm not quite there yet but I'm making progress. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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