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albysky
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 Message 17 of 27
16 September 2013 at 10:00am | IP Logged 
Wow thanks , anyhow i have learned a little bit of russian , what it is really hard for us , it is a number of
things all together . Vocabulary and pronounciation are the main problem , then there are verbs especially
irregular verbs , cases and the alphabet , which to some extent looks easy but when reading it really
confuses your sight . And yes also the fact that the script is not entirely phonetic plays a role .
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Марк
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 Message 18 of 27
16 September 2013 at 1:00pm | IP Logged 
albysky wrote:
Ok ,thanks . What is pretty sure is that for speakers of non slavic
languages is really tough to learn one .
So another question , do you think it harder for say a spaniard to learn russian or vice
versa ? I would be
more inclined to say that the first option is the most probable ....

Spanish won't be the first language for a Russian nowadays almost certainly. The first
language is usually English, which would be significant help for Spanish, while English,
which is widely learned by Spaniards now, doesn't help much with Russian. That's why
Spanish is easier for Russians than vice-versa. Russian has extra difficulties in its
alphabet, spelling and pronunciation.
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 Message 19 of 27
16 September 2013 at 4:01pm | IP Logged 
albysky wrote:
Wow thanks , anyhow i have learned a little bit of russian , what it is really hard for us , it is a number of
things all together . Vocabulary and pronounciation are the main problem , then there are verbs especially
irregular verbs , cases and the alphabet , which to some extent looks easy but when reading it really
confuses your sight . And yes also the fact that the script is not entirely phonetic plays a role .


Preaching to the choir... Throw a dash of dyslexia into that bowl, and you've created your own little hell :-)
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Fuenf_Katzen
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 Message 20 of 27
16 September 2013 at 5:16pm | IP Logged 
erenko wrote:
tarvos wrote:
That is because they are from the same family.

It seems to me that French and Italian are more closely related – they’re both Romance languages - than Polish and Russian that are Slavic, but Polish is a West Slavic language (together with Czech and Slovak) whereas Russian is an East Slavic language (together with Ukrainian and Belarusian).

My experience with Italian is very limited; I only did aYa’s LR (L-R, mLR) 'LISTENING-Reading' with ‘Il piccolo principe’- I used French as a base language. I understood everything the first time.

Russian may be somewhat easier for older Poles who were schooled in it, though.


That's a really interesting thought, and one that I've wondered about for awhile actually, about whether the Romance languages as a general family are closer to each other than the Slavic languages. Considering it's not uncommon at all to see polyglots with at least 3 Romance languages, and much more unusual to see a non-Slavic native speaker with multiple Slavic languages, I wonder if there really are more differences.
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 Message 21 of 27
16 September 2013 at 5:49pm | IP Logged 
Maybe people in the Western hemisphere think that the cultures are more similar, and that the languages are more useful, maybe even more "important"? It's not uncommon to be able to study at least French and at least one of the two others in school. If there's one Slavic language offered, it's Russian.
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 Message 22 of 27
16 September 2013 at 6:02pm | IP Logged 
jeff_lindqvist wrote:
Maybe people in the Western hemisphere think that the cultures are more similar, and that the languages are more useful, maybe even more "important"? It's not uncommon to be able to study at least French and at least one of the two others in school. If there's one Slavic language offered, it's Russian.


Very true. Besides, the three Romance languages most (European) polyglots will know are French, Italian and Spanish. Portuguese and not least Romanian are far less common. I think much has to do with the relative importance of France, Italy and Spain in the history and culture of Europe compared to that of Slavic-speaking countires, with the obvious exception of Russia.
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 Message 23 of 27
16 September 2013 at 6:06pm | IP Logged 
And the fact tourism in western Europe is super-developed but nobody understands anything
east of Germany because they still think it is weird and communist even though the wall
fell 24 years ago.
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Марк
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 Message 24 of 27
16 September 2013 at 7:30pm | IP Logged 
Fuenf_Katzen wrote:


That's a really interesting thought, and one that I've wondered about for awhile
actually, about whether the Romance languages as a general family are closer to each
other than the Slavic languages. Considering it's not uncommon at all to see polyglots
with at least 3 Romance languages, and much more unusual to see a non-Slavic native
speaker with multiple Slavic languages, I wonder if there really are more differences.

French has been changing very quickly since it separeted from other Romance languages,
while Italian is conservative. It's obvious that French and Italian differ more than
Russian and Polish. It's hard to find any similarity between Italian and French words
(if we consider pronunciation, which is how linguist always do), and their morphlogy is
comletely different. Few Italian endings exist in French and they do not ressemble the
Italian ones. There is a significant structural similarity in terms of grammar, but the
material part is almost completely lost.


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