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| jstele Bilingual Senior Member United States Joined 6654 days ago 186 posts - 194 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Korean* | Message 33 of 48 03 November 2007 at 5:09am | IP Logged | ||
Nevertheless, it does provide a standardized system for pronunciation. Whether a standard romanization is created depends on the government. Actually, the government has created a standard Romanization system, but I don't trust it because it's not completely accurate.It may be standard, but it's not correct. For the system to be close to accurate, they would have to hire translators that are native Korean and/or English speakers to develop it, not just people with degrees, but people who have a clear grasp of pronunciation. Maybe they did, but there are still errors. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nhk9 Senior Member Canada Joined 6803 days ago 290 posts - 319 votes Speaks: English* | Message 34 of 48 17 November 2007 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||
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The last few days I've been talking with several Korean native speakers. And it seems to me that I've been pronouncing some words incorrectly for the last 2 years. This week I was fortunate enough to meet Koreans who were willing to share their thoughts on Korean phonetics.
It seems like the "s" sound is quite different from anything I've encountered before. Many textbooks state that the "ss" sound is simply a stronger, breathier sound, but I think there's more into that. To pronounce the "s" sound, it seems like one must relax his/her tongue, and try to attach it to the lower side of the mouth. Then, one should have a slight puff of air to go with it. This is quite different from the English s, as one would place the tongue somewhere in the middle part of the mouth when pronouncing that sound. The English and Korean "s" sounds are very similar, yet differ in a subtle way. Would you guys have a different way of looking at it? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6371 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English* | Message 35 of 48 11 June 2009 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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I wish there was a book or course to learn EXACTLY how to pronounce the 'tense'
consonant. I've looked it up and what it ACTUALLY means is 'breathy voice' which is something to do with opening your vocal cords more - which is mind blowing to me - and I don't really understand how to do that. I guess the 'plain' consonants are like in French with no aspiration. Apparently, as an actual aspirant it's [ɦ] which is a sound too. Well, I guess I'll go back to the delights of other languages. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| julie1275 Diglot Newbie Korea, South Joined 5693 days ago 12 posts - 20 votes Speaks: Korean*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin | Message 36 of 48 09 September 2009 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | ||
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After a few times of trying, I finally noticed the problem. Yeah, it's quite likely
for native English speakers to be confused by some Korean consonants. The exact articulation of ㅁ(M) lies somewhere between English m and b; ㄴ(N), English n and d; etc. That's because Korean has only 3 voiced consonants(ㄴ, ㅁ, ㄹ / N, M and L), while English has a wide variety of voiced consonants(b, d, g, l, m, n, r, v, etc). It means that native Koreans need not pronounce ㅁ(M) soft enough to be differentiated from ㅂ(B), because ㅂ(B) is a voiceless consonant unlike English b, which is a voiced consonant. It's just like English speakers can tell p from b(p is voiceless and b is voiced). In other words, no matter 못(Mot) sounds like Mot or Bot, Koreans don't get confused because it's voiced. Most Koreans take m and b sound as ㅁ(M), because Korean ㅂ(B) is totally different from English b. Korean ㅂ(b) is more like p, in that they are both voiceless consonant. Yeah, it would be easier for you to think ㅂ(b) is just softer version of p. So, if you couldn't have followed me, just get this. Korean ㅁ(M) lies somewhere between English m and b; Korean ㄴ(N), between English English n and d. And Korean ㅂ and ㄷ(B and D) is fundamentally different sound from English b and d. If you can pronounce it correctly, then you would amaze Koreans for your pronunciation. # For advanced learners, who knows how to write Korean. To be honest, I was taught that Korean has 4 voiced consonants, one of which is ㅇ(Ee- Eung). As you may know, ㅇ(Ee-Eung) sometimes comes when the syllable has no consonant in the place where consonant should be and sometimes is placed as counterpart of 'ng'. For example, 양(YANG, a sheep) has ㅇ(Ee-Eung, the case that ㅇ is used where consonant sould be), ㅑ(Ya) and ㅇ(Ee-Eung, NG) like this(양). And when you pronounced the word 양(YANG), I'm sure you will notice the fact that both ㅇ(Ee-Eung) were voiced(at least it sounded like it was voiced). # I wrote Korean with capital letters and English with small letters, just because it's easy to identify. # I thought you couldn't see 한글(Hanguel) unless your computer has East Asian IME language pack -ctfmon or something like that- but I included 한글 alongside Romanization as you requested. Edited by julie1275 on 14 September 2009 at 5:59pm 9 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| virgule Senior Member Antarctica Joined 6839 days ago 242 posts - 261 votes Studies: Korean | Message 37 of 48 11 September 2009 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I would recommend Sounds of Korean, which addresses many problems discussed here. It includes some of the best descriptions of how to produce the different sounds in Korean I know (including illustrations of the mouth), and comes with a CD full of MP3 (that's a lot of audio!), and many exercises to help you differentiate between different sounds.
Miho Choo and W. O'Grady, The Sounds of Korean: A Pronunciation Guide (University of Hawaii Press, 2003). Thanks, Julie, the 한글 helps! Edited by virgule on 02 October 2009 at 9:00pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| aegi Diglot Newbie Korea, South Joined 5984 days ago 33 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English*, Korean | Message 38 of 48 20 September 2009 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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As one who 'passes' as a Korean on the phone, I offer this advice: Don't connect the sounds of 한글 to English sounds. An initial 기역 corresponds neatly to neither 'k' nor 'g', and the proper pronunciation comes only after dispensing with the Roman alphabet and after much 'living' practice.
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| JamieAnderson Newbie Canada uregina.ca Joined 5505 days ago 5 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English* | Message 39 of 48 30 October 2009 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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With the glottal sounds, the double consonants an easy rule is the breath, when you pronounce a double connsonant hold your hand near your mouth - you should feel considerably less breath or air being released when you pronounce double consonants as compared to regular consonants. This is because the double consonant is pronounced more by using the throat. You can say it sounds harsher and throatier (if thats a word) :P
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| alivahit Diglot Newbie Turkey Joined 4731 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: Korean | Message 40 of 48 11 December 2011 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have been studying Korean on and off for about two years. At first, I had begun to study on my own and because of the exact same problems Ironfist faced, I stopped after a couple of months. It was too strange and incomprehensible for me to understand on my own. Two months ago, I began taking lessons from a native Korean speaker. Some students in the class were apparently having the same problem. However much we asked the teacher about it, she just very confidently said that she isn't pronouncing ᄆ in 뭐 like ᄇ, or ᄂ in 네 like ᄃ. To her, the two sounds must be exactly same I guess. So, afterwards, I decided to not care about it too much. I hope, with enough time and effort, I will be proficient enough to not realize any strangeness with these types of pronounciations.
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