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Is Immersion without SRS possible? | ||
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6531 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 9 of 22 31 January 2012 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
@ OP, do you put individual words or sentences on your cards? Try sentences and choose those that really interest you. For me, SRS is a way to relive the wonderful moments I've had in my target languages. Most of my cards are very special to me, but if needed I delete ruthlessly. (The AJATT guy recommends against deleting entire decks and I agree. Delete your cards one at a time till you actually want to keep one.) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Superking Diglot Groupie United States polyglutwastaken.blo Joined 6577 days ago 87 posts - 194 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Mandarin | Message 10 of 22 31 January 2012 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If people learned languages before SRS was conceptualized, then yes, it's possible.
SRS is an extremely interesting concept, but this is the first I'm hearing of it, despite having developed a relatively strong mastery of Spanish over the last 10 years and spending the last 1 year learning Mandarin. The basic structure of the language-learning experience will continue being the same for the foreseeable future -- it's just the methodology that changes. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4943 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 11 of 22 31 January 2012 at 10:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have never thought of immersion being anyhow dependent on using an srs. What I took
from ajatt, was to do as many things as possible in the language and that frequency of exposure means more than pure amount. If you cannot stand SRS (and I understand, I left anki some time ago), there are many other options: 1. memrise.com a bit different srs. It may sound stupid that I enjoy practicing vocabulary by planting virtual flowers but I do. It feels like a game and a little competition and I can easily see how much have I done. A great thing is, that you can use various stacks without bothering with the same words. You have seen it somewhere else already? Great, let's continue where you stopped. A disadvantage:no offline learning 2.wordlists, including Iversen's method, goldlist, thematic lists... a great thing, especially if it helps you to have things organised. And no matter what kind of lists you choose, you can keep them tamed in one or more exercise books instead of letting them conquer your desk, bag and the many corners of your home where a flashcard shouldn't be. 3. Pure immersion and context learning in this case, reading, no matter whether intensive or extensive, is your friend. And a bit later listening. After seeing an important word ten times in various contexts, you are very likely to remember it. If it doesn't appear that much, than it probably not that important. Writing in books, unless they belong to someone else, is a good help as well. 4. Good old simple writing down words you learn. This old way of having a small notebook with you and just reviewing a word and a translation, and testing yourself,is often neglected here as we all want the "better, faster and modern" ways. But it has worked for many people in past, so there is no reason why it shouldn't work again if you take it seriously and open the small notebook enough times. Any way of spending time with the vocabulary will work. The methods, techniques and whole science of vocab learning is just a sauce which makes us digest the words better, the principle is the same. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6484 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 12 of 22 01 February 2012 at 11:21am | IP Logged | |||||
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I believe an SRS is an inefficient tool if you are essentially spending all day studying, immersed in your host country.
You will spend too much time doing reviews with an SRS. Word lists with limited reviews will get you there much faster, imo. I wish I could say exposure alone is enough in this case, but it isn't for me. I still need to isolate the vocabulary and learn it on the side. But the good thing about so much exposure is that a lot less review is required. Spending an hour or two a day in your home country is a different ball game. In that case, I prefer an SRS, at least for a few months. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5915 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 13 of 22 02 February 2012 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that if you're doing a lot of passive immersion but you can't get yourself to
use the language actively (writing and talking with native speakers), then SRS is the next best thing, along with reading aloud and thinking in your target language. You could also try to repeat whole sentences from your short term memory, not just read them in your SRS collection. That said, to answer your question, I don't think that home immersion is enough to speak a language fluently, not even with SRS, let alone without it. Edited by Javi on 02 February 2012 at 5:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6484 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 14 of 22 03 February 2012 at 7:23am | IP Logged | |||||
Regarding getting yourself to use the language actively - why do you think an SRS is better than a list? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5915 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 15 of 22 03 February 2012 at 3:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think that the concept of SRS is all about reviewing your material, which could really be a lot of thinks, including lists. Reviewing means paying attention to things that you wouldn't normally while doing passive immersion, like little grammatical words, helping you bridge the gap to a more active command of the language. You can also drill* some basic stuff so that you can make up for the lack of speaking. For me the fact that these revisions are fully automated is the key point, because that way it's easier to turn the language practice into a daily habit. But perhaps I'm assuming too many things, for example I would think that most people here are in friendly terms with computers and use them pretty much every day, but that may not be the case of course. All that said, perhaps you were more interested in the difference between working with words in lists and working with sentences or chunks of text in flash cards. Am I right? If that's the case it would be great to read your opinion. * In terms of SRS, if you need to drill something you may want to add a lot of related or similar cards, because not a single card is repeated enough to call it drilling (unless you always get it wrong of course) Edited by Javi on 03 February 2012 at 3:57pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6484 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 16 of 22 03 February 2012 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Sorry - I just misunderstood you before. Nice post.
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