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| juman Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 5152 days ago 101 posts - 129 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: French | Message 1 of 12 11 February 2012 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm working quite a lot with Anki/SRS to learn both words and expressions and today I had a session when I went
through about 40 cards with facts that was new to me in the beginning of the week. Of these 40 cards I had 8 that I "failed" so I queued them up for tomorrow again and out of those I had 3 where I almost felt that I saw them for the first time even though I have seen them at least 4 times this week. So what did I do after this... Well I got frustrated with myself that I couldn't remember the 8 cards and felt sad I'm so "stupid" I don't even remember seeing some of them before. Then I started checking the stats and as you can see I actually did quite well as I got 32 cards out of 40 which is 80%. And that is 32 words I did not know at all in the beginning of the week which I now can pronounce, read, write and hear in my target language. So how do you do to not get frustrated over the failed ones? Regards, Fredrik Edited by Fasulye on 15 February 2012 at 1:56pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4802 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 2 of 12 11 February 2012 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I do get frustrated when I see the same cards again and again. But then I remind myself that there's a reason why I can't remember them. Either my brain has decided they're not words I use a lot, or they are not yet relevant for my current language proficiency.
I think using that function in Anki that stops showing you the cards after a certain number of failed attempts is quite good (Settings - Deck Properties - Leech Threshold). It's not like you'll never learn those words, you will learn them eventually from other sources than your SRS. And if you don't want to rely on that, you can still check in on them later and make some more effort to study them outside of the SRS. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5352 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 3 of 12 11 February 2012 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Often it is just a case of putting more active work in learning these items. If you find there are certain cards you consistently have trouble with, suspend them while taking a note of the question and question in a notebook, like you might for Iversen's wordlist method.
Once you have around 10-20 suspended cards that you have noted down, try and treat them like you are learning them for the first time. This can be doing exactly what Iversen does or just focusing on five words at a time, looking at the L2 word and trying to produce the correct translation into L1 for all the words in that block of 5 and when comfortable with that, trying producing the L2 from the L1. Once you can rattle through all these words in both directions and can do the same after a break of a couple of hours or so, unsuspend your cards and you should have far less trouble with them. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| juman Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 5152 days ago 101 posts - 129 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: French | Message 4 of 12 11 February 2012 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thank you for your tips... but I am not really frustrated that I fail with some of the cards. If I didn't I wouldn't be
pushing myself enough to learn new things. But what I don't like is that I kind of only looks at what I didn't learn instead of the other way around... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6531 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 5 of 12 11 February 2012 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It sounds like you're adding too much at once. Slow down.
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| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4635 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 6 of 12 15 February 2012 at 2:57am | IP Logged | |||||
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It's all right. Be annoyed, rage about it, then cool down and try again. Everything will stick eventually, just don't let them go.
Personally, I'm not a fan of "suspend them for later". I approach those words aggressively and drill them over and over, beating them into submission. They usually stick really well after I had such a fight with my brain over them.. ;) How about making a new deck, enable typing in of the word, and just repeat until it works? Then, one hour later, do it again, and once more before you go to bed. Again the next morning, then you should be comfortable enough with them to encounter them in your normal deck. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6486 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew | Message 7 of 12 15 February 2012 at 9:18am | IP Logged | |||||
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Anger is a very good learning tool - rage at that one word, say it out loud several times, "I'm going to get you, damn it". Conquer it, throw it down the hole of servitude to your greatness.
And when it does not work, move on. By the time you've feasted on a thousand cards who cares about the crumbs that fell on the floor. Dogs! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4605 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes Speaks: English* | Message 8 of 12 15 February 2012 at 10:17am | IP Logged | |||||
It depends on the person and the situation, but I believe in general this isn't true. An increase in anxiety lowers my efficiency.
OP - How do you reduce anxiety? Good question. In your situation, you might try what many SRS users do. Pre-learn the items in a list form, or by some other method, before you dump them into the SRS. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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