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| NightHawk9380 Newbie Australia Joined 4177 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 9 of 14 23 June 2013 at 12:17am | IP Logged |
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Yes, quite a few of the words I can just guess but some of them are false friends and the like. Others are completely unrelated... I tried finding a frequency language tool for esperanto, but failed completely so I'm using one for English and finding the equivelant in esperanto.
Just 40 nouns/adjectives/verbs each now, so I think I will learn the suffixes and prefixes now and then maybe focus on the roots? I dunno, roots seem so wierd for me, I guess I didn't even think of it before, but I certainly will now. In regards to what suffixes/prefixes there are, I found this website that lists them all, I'm working of it though if anyone can verfiy that it's all of them, I'd be grateful. http://www.esperanto-usa.org/posters/Affixes.pdf What do the affixes apply to? Nouns? Adjectives? All? Because verbs already have their tenses as tetraglot said. I'm hoping to read a beginner novel in esperanto soon, and I tried listening to it but I didn't understand any of it and I got really frustrated =/ Anyway, on today, 23 June, I can recall 40 nouns perfectly, 39 verbs with 3 spelling errors, but only 22 adjectives with some errors.. I'm hoping it's just a give it a few days type of thing. I also learnt suffixes mal- and mis- and can remember them fairly well, and can apply them to some things if given the time to think about it. At work, I try to think about what I'm doing in esperanto.. The most I can. Things like la akvo es malpura - the water is dirty (i think). I guess I'll follow all the wonderful advice and work on the suffixes today =) Thanks for all the advice and help guys. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5867 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 10 of 14 23 June 2013 at 4:06am | IP Logged |
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That looks like all of them. Affixes can really apply to anything:
Dankegon! = Big thanks! (Thanks a lot!) Mi dankegas vin! = I REALLY thank you! Dankege al vi, ni povis manĝi pomojn = Reallly thanks to you, we were able to eat apples. Mi estas dankega al ŝi pro sia helpo = I'm super thankful to her for her help. You can even add more than one affix at a time. Ili reamkiĝis = They became friends again. Flegistino = Nurse (flegi = to take care of/nurse, + ist = "professional", + in = female) Malliberejo = Prison (mallibera is the opposite of free, the place where you are the opposite of free would be..?) Ordemulo = An orderly, organized person. I need to work on the affixes some more, too. I know what they mean, but it can still be a bit difficult to understand just what exactly something means as there's not always a nice clean English word/concept to sum it up. It takes a bit of thinking and getting used to, i guess :) Also, "to be" in Esperanto is "esti". "is" is "estas". So it should be "La akvo ESTAS malpura". Anyway, great job! 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 11 of 14 23 June 2013 at 11:18pm | IP Logged |
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Here's a frequency list from Esperanto Wikipedia; it overweights words like community and category heavily, but otherwise looks ok. Here's a potentially more useful one: Esperanto-Chicago frequency list. And this morpheme list from spoken Esperanto at a 1979 conference is supposedly enough to understand most of "Gerda Malaperis", a book in simple Esperanto that you can find on lernu.
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| NightHawk9380 Newbie Australia Joined 4177 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 12 of 14 26 June 2013 at 1:51pm | IP Logged |
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Many thanks to you both for the help. In particular, that frequency list I'm sure will be helpful. I think I'll go for the first 100-200 on the wiki page, as it should be of more immediate use but then I think I'll switch to the secondary link.
My last post was on the 23rd.. The 24th I only reviewed my vocabulary so far, as I was at a friends. These last two days I've been trying to learn all the affixes and suffixes. I've been a bit lazy, I could have learnt them in one day if I continued with my 40/words a day theme, but at the end of the second day I sit here, with 9 more to go. In general though, I'm finding it so confusing.. Diglot, what you said before about focusing less on nouns/adjectives and more on root words makes more sense. I mean, I have an example for the use of the affix -ind-, meaning to be worthy of. Leginda - worth reading. But until I saw that, I never would have imagined that legi-to read-could possibly be used as an adjective (lega), so I should learn the root (leg) as opposed to the verb (legi). Even now... I'm still not sure to read counts as an adjective, even with the suffix. But google informs me that on sunday there's a esperanto meeting for beginners two hours train tride away, held on the last sunday of every month.. Not sure if I should go now or wait another month until I am semi-ok talking, but I'm leaning towards going now. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 13 of 14 26 June 2013 at 3:15pm | IP Logged |
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It's worth learning nouns/adjectives, as whichever one the root has most affinity towards will impact how you make derived forms of it. Broso = brush, brosi = to brush. Kombi = to comb, kombilo = comb (tool for combing). Some people analyze the 'innate' form of a word as a type of grammatical gender in Esperanto: there's no male/female/neuter distinction, but it is somewhat similar to the noun classes found in various languages, etc. Don't actually worry about this; you'll make very few mistakes in practice, and they won't impede communication.
"Leginda libro" is "A book worth reading"; you can't quite say "A read-worthy book" in English, but that's close to a hyper-literal translation. "To read" is never an adjective, but things related to reading (such as something being worth reading) can be. The affixes take longer to learn that root words; that's perfectly normal. It's also worth remembering that they go from left to right: "arbareto" is a small collection of trees, while "arbetaro" is a collection of small trees. Good luck with the meeting if you go! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5867 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 14 of 14 26 June 2013 at 3:19pm | IP Logged |
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Go for it. I think you'll find you can quickly get your point across in Esperanto, even if your grammar's not perfect or complete. Besides, if you find it's subpar this month there's always next month ;)
Also, some common words from leg·i: leginda = worth reading legado = reading leganto = reader (the person who's reading) legema = fond of reading/reads a lot legebla = readable legemulo = a person who likes to read eklegi = to start reading etc. Should these all be considered different words? If you know the affixes well, just knowing the stem "leg" gives you immediate access to all these words (and more) :) EDIT: Spelling mistake Edited by Crush on 26 June 2013 at 3:21pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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