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| bobok Tetraglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4967 days ago 14 posts - 17 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German, Russian | Message 9 of 21 24 December 2011 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm sorry to hear that. A man can always dream... Thanks for the reactions. I know it's far fetched, but hey, asking never hurts right? I'm going to try to teach myself lucid dreaming anyway. Since its usefull if you're lacking creativity or just for giggles. =) I read somewhere that Tesla also used lucid dreaming to come up with creativity for his inventions. Interesting stuff... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6606 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 10 of 21 28 December 2011 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I learned to do lucid dreaming when I was a child because I was so plagued by nightmares. I still do it at times and if I practice everyday for a few weeks, I can usually get to a point where I can do it a will (not every time, but frequently). It is very hard to stay lucid because the tendency is either to wake completely or to slip into deeper sleep. One technique that works very well to stay lucid is, as soon as you notice that you are starting to slip away, spin. It sounds crazy, but it works. (You spin in the dream, not for real.) And, it also takes practice to notice that you're slipping.
Also, even with such techniques, the lucid dream rarely lasts more than a few minutes. Plus, your subconscious is in control and is usually more interested in fun stuff like flying, than in practical things. There is one way I think you can use lucid dreaming to help your language learning, but not by actually learning in your sleep. I have learned that I can remember a simple message in my dreams (again, it is hard and you might have several dreams before you finally manage to remember the message and communicate it to yourself.) So, you could use this technique to ask your subconscious a VERY SIMPLE and SPECIFIC question about how to improve your language learning. I have never tried this with language learning, but I have tried it with other problems and have gotten surprising answers. I usually ask someone who appears in my dream, but I've also simply "wondered" about the question and both techniques work. The wondering feels particularly odd, because it gives one a feeling of the dichotomy of the mind. The answer just appears in your mind as if it has always been their and you get a feeling from the subconscious that it is so obvious. At least, that's how it is for me, I often get the feeling that my subconscious thinks I'm pretty dense for not understanding these things. As for what kind of questions you can ask, I would keep it as simple as possible. E.g. "Why do I have trouble with xx tense?" "How can I improve my tones?" If the message is too complicated, you'll have difficulty remembering it. You also have to remember the answer, so make sure you have pen and paper by your bed, because even something clear and obvious is usually gone by morning if you don't write it down. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6689 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 21 28 December 2011 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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You can't learn anything while having lucid dreams for the simple reason that everything in those dreams is based on elements which already are stored somewhere in your memory - you just recombine them, and the thing that makes a lucid dream lucid is that you know that it is all figments of your imagination, which you then may be able to influence if you are lucid enough. Any answer you could get from a dream person is made up by yourself, and you just have to think about things from another angle to get those answers while you are awake.
Besides it would spoil the sheer fun of having a lucid dream. Do your studying while you are awake. Edited by Iversen on 28 December 2011 at 4:00pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| delectric Diglot Senior Member China Joined 7167 days ago 608 posts - 733 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: German | Message 12 of 21 28 December 2011 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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The problem with Lucid Dreams and language learning is that you may suddenly find
yourself enlightened and with super powers over an environment that you have been unconsciously dreaming for decades if not longer. Perhaps with this insight the last thing you would want to do is learn a language. I used to regularly lucid dream. I trained myself using a variety of books. After doing it for a number of years I could only conclude that, no doubt, I'm dreaming right now. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| NickJS Senior Member United Kingdom flickr.com/photos/sg Joined 4945 days ago 264 posts - 334 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese | Message 13 of 21 29 December 2011 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't think you would be able to learn the language in the dreams, however I think you
could somehow control what you want to happen in the dream, or at least some of it - for example I've made a full dream from just a picture I've seen at some point and I did control some of the happenings to some extent, its hard to explain though as I've never really practised lucid dreaming - especially not after seeing the film Insidious! Nonetheless you probably could find some way to dream in your target language, which I think would be beneficial to your learning. On the other hand I think its best to take ideas such as the one you read about lightly as there is definitely a lot of speculation out there to what is possible and what isn't and there is also lots of false claims too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Chief Rat Newbie United States blogger.com/blogger.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4699 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English* | Message 14 of 21 31 December 2011 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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Everyone said that it's impossible to learn anything whilst sleeping, but would trying to reinforce what you learned while you were wake in a lucid dream work?
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| mikonai Diglot Senior Member United States weirdnamewriting.bloRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4915 days ago 178 posts - 281 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Swahili, German | Message 15 of 21 31 December 2011 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Even though it's called "lucid dreaming" things are pretty slippery while you're in the
dream. As an above poster said, it's pretty easy to slip into a normal dream, even if you do succeed in becoming lucid. Moreover, although you have some control over the dream, your subconscious still has the majority of control, and forcing language learning into the dream is likely to cause you simply to lose it altogether. Lucid dreaming isn't as restful as normal sleep either, so as far as reinforcing what you've learned, that would also be better done while awake than in a fragile dream state. You never know, you may come across some language bits while you dream, but they're as likely to be gibberish that you think is the language than anything else. While you're asleep and dreaming your brain is already sorting things out, whether you're aware of it or not, and your subconscious doesn't need your help to do it. Lucid dreaming doesn't put you into any heightened state of mind for learning or reinforcing anything. More likely it's a muddled mess of thoughts and images that your brain is working on in the background regardless of whether you remember the dream or not. I'd suggest rather than learning to lucid dream just for the sake of learning languages, either learn it for fun or get your rest and save your linguistic adventures for when you're awake. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5997 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 16 of 21 01 January 2012 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't think it would work. You can convince yourself that you are speaking a language in a dream, even without speaking it. I once had a dream in which I "understood" Swedish. Uh-huh.
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