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Arthaey Groupie United States arthaey.com Joined 4980 days ago 97 posts - 155 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 1 of 13 24 December 2011 at 12:37am | IP Logged |
I'm a beginning German student. I don't have enough vocab or practice yet to understand full-speed native content, although I can guess the gist of slowly-spoken native content (eg, "Langsam Gesprochen Nachrichten" from the excellent Deutche Welle site).
My question is, how useful is it to my learning if I listen to full-speed audio content while simultaneously reading a transcript of it? On the one hand, it feels like it's helpful to train my ear. On the other hand, it feels like cheating to be reading along at the same time.
What do you, more experienced/successful polyglots, think about this technique? (Of course, it's not the only thing I'm doing to improve; I don't think it would help much in isolation. ;))
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| yaboycon Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4669 days ago 40 posts - 50 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Russian
| Message 2 of 13 24 December 2011 at 2:17am | IP Logged |
Arthaey wrote:
I'm a beginning German student. I don't have enough vocab or practice yet to understand full-speed native content, although I can guess the gist of slowly-spoken native content (eg, "Langsam Gesprochen Nachrichten" from the excellent Deutche Welle site).
My question is, how useful is it to my learning if I listen to full-speed audio content while simultaneously reading a transcript of it? On the one hand, it feels like it's helpful to train my ear. On the other hand, it feels like cheating to be reading along at the same time.
What do you, more experienced/successful polyglots, think about this technique? (Of course, it's not the only thing I'm doing to improve; I don't think it would help much in isolation. ;)) |
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pretty sure there is a method called the "listen - Read" method. I think the basic idea is listening to something, reading it while also having the translation of the script.
I don't know too much about it. I would advise doing a "g-search" on this site for "listen reading method" or "L-R Method". You can also just type it into google to find out more.
You can also just wait for someone more helpful and knowledgable to respond :)
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| nunoxic Triglot Newbie India Joined 4669 days ago 17 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English, Hindi, Marathi*
| Message 3 of 13 24 December 2011 at 5:36pm | IP Logged |
I think they do. My opinion is true for both types of alphabets: One with familiar
alphabets (French, German, Italian) and another with unfamiliar (Simplified Chinese,
Japanese, Hindi, Cyrillic). Assuming that you someday also wish to be able to read, it
helps immensely how to spell words (more so when there are many similar sounding words
that you hear). Plus, although not scientifically proven, learning is always done better
when more senses are involved. So, if you can see while listening, its helpful. Plus, it
helps recollection. Take two hindi words for instance:
Kaash (How I wish....)
Kaach (Glass)
For people not accustomed to the sh and ch sounds, they sound very similar.
All in all, I see no reason why one should NOT consider transcripts while listening.
There are practically no cons (Only that you can't study while walking, driving etc.)
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| WentworthsGal Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4822 days ago 191 posts - 246 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish, Spanish
| Message 4 of 13 24 December 2011 at 6:05pm | IP Logged |
I'm not a successful polyglot, far from it lol, but I think it can be a very useful tool to have the transcript also. If you can take a paragraph or two of speech where you can't make out all the words at full speed, after you've listened to it a few times whilst reading along (and also maybe just reading without the speech), if you listen to it again without the text, you should be able to isolate more words than before. Once you get used to hearing the words at normal speed and amoungst other words, you should be able to pick them out more easily when you come accross them in other speech.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5700 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 5 of 13 24 December 2011 at 6:55pm | IP Logged |
Yes, as long as you pay attention to what you're actually doing there, and change your approach once your progress slows down. There are many ways you can use audio content, most of which have been discussed on here. The only 'method' you shouldn't put your faith in is playing the audio in the background or when asleep. Otherwise, play around with what you've got. I personally would invest 30-60 minutes daily for listening comprehension until it's not too much of a challenge anymore. Activities I do: Listen, Listen and repeat, Listen pause and repeat, Transcribe, Listen to slowed down audio, Listen to sped up audio, Read transcript and then listen, Read transcript while listening, Listen and read then transcript, Listen for particular words, Listen for particular sounds, Listen jot down the gist and then re-listen. I also switch between listening to the same piece repeatedly and listening to a longer source, like an audiobook.
Edited by Bao on 24 December 2011 at 6:56pm
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| Arthaey Groupie United States arthaey.com Joined 4980 days ago 97 posts - 155 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 6 of 13 30 December 2011 at 11:30pm | IP Logged |
Looks like I don't have any cause to not read while listening, then. Thanks everyone!
I just happened to come across this article from the Journal of Linguistics and Language Teaching: Theory and Pedagogy of Reading While Listening: Phonological Recoding for L2 Reading Development. The abstract says they saw a statistically significant improvement in L2 ability for reading while listening (as opposed to the silent-reading control group).
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6531 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 7 of 13 31 December 2011 at 6:06am | IP Logged |
Arthaey wrote:
Looks like I don't have any cause to not read while listening, then. |
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um well to understand the spoken language without a transcript you do need to listen without reading. try not to get too dependent on them. if you listen several times, try for example using them only the second (third...) time you listen to a text. or also try to find the words you understand without listening to them, and then listen again without looking at the transcripts.
you may want to try GLOSS http://gloss.dliflc.edu/Default.aspx or other sites with audio and exercises:)
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6206 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French
| Message 8 of 13 01 January 2012 at 8:35pm | IP Logged |
Eventually you will have to do without them, but they are useful for learning (like subtitles).
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