IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6435 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 9 of 33 09 December 2012 at 6:42pm | IP Logged |
MixedUpCody wrote:
and in German there is a shift in fricative sound used in words like Bach. |
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Can you please post an example or two of this?
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IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6435 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 10 of 33 09 December 2012 at 6:47pm | IP Logged |
Oh, and I think sometimes people pronounce "fifth" as "fith" in fast speech. It's one syllable that way. "Fifth" is kind of 1.5 syllables or maybe even 2 depending on how much you emphasize the second "f".
Now that I'm super conscious of how I'm pronouncing it, I can't figure out how I normally say it anymore :p
Edited by IronFist on 09 December 2012 at 6:47pm
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MixedUpCody Senior Member United States Joined 5254 days ago 144 posts - 280 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin
| Message 11 of 33 09 December 2012 at 7:39pm | IP Logged |
IronFist wrote:
MixedUpCody wrote:
and in German there is a shift in fricative sound used in words like Bach. |
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Can you please post an example or two of this? |
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http://www.indiana.edu/~lingdept/phono/pdfs/THall03.pdf
That link will take you to a paper on German phonology. Section 1.1 gives a basic rundown. I'm not sure how familiar you are with linguistic terminology, but the gist is that the German phoneme /x/ is expressed as the allophone [x] if it occurs after back vowels, and [รง] if it occurs after more front vowels. Although There is no distinction between these two fricatives in German, and to my English-tuned ears they sound identical, they are used contrastively in some languages. Hope this helps.
Cody
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Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4907 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 12 of 33 09 December 2012 at 8:11pm | IP Logged |
I'm an American living in England, and I've noticed a lot of people here change the x to
a k, making it "sikth".
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Amerykanka Hexaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5169 days ago 657 posts - 890 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Polish, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian
| Message 13 of 33 10 December 2012 at 3:57am | IP Logged |
I'm not sure if this really adds anything to the discussion, but I definitely pronounce the TH, like most of the
rest of you. And I've never heard sixT or anything else except sixTH.
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tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4705 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 14 of 33 10 December 2012 at 1:29pm | IP Logged |
Yes, I pronounce the "th".
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Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5764 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 15 of 33 10 December 2012 at 5:20pm | IP Logged |
As a non-native speaker trying to sound like a BBC announcer (xD) I pronounce the th, but not with the tip of my tongue between my front teeth like when saying seventh but pressed to the edge of my upper front teeth very quickly. Pronounced alone, that position creates more of a hissing sound.
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LittleBoy Diglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5308 days ago 84 posts - 100 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto
| Message 16 of 33 11 December 2012 at 1:17am | IP Logged |
I'm a native British English speaker and I think I would say "sikth", as Jeffers observed. I'd also go for "fith", certainly when talking quickly/not concentrating on enunciation. At most I would half say the "ks" or "f", I don't think I ever fully say "siksth" and "fifth".
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