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tarvos
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09 January 2013 at 6:38pm | IP Logged

I am learning Breton and the Assimil specifically states to not be bothered about people
who complain it's "not the same Breton". And I won't.
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Message 10 of 14

10 January 2013 at 9:49am | IP Logged

tarvos wrote:

I am learning Breton and the Assimil specifically states to not be bothered about people
who complain it's "not the same Breton". And I won't.

I may be wrong but this "dont-bother-about-those-who-say-it-s-not-the-same-Breton" is usually quoted to emphasize that the dialects are mutually intelligible, contrary to what (French) opposants of Breton used to say when they wanted to undermine the importance of Breton.

The relationship (and intelligibility) between (new-)Breton and the dialects is a totally different thing.

Again to be perfectly clear, I'm not taking parts here and saying that there's only two camps : the good guys who speak pure dialectal Breton on one side and the evil nationalists who despise dialects and created a completely different language.
Between these two positions exist a whole lot of different attitudes towards Breton.

I thought it would be useful to mention it to learners of Breton.

As a side note, I don't know which Assimil Breton you're using but the old Morvannou Assimil is available everywhere on the internet. It is one of the few books that everyone agrees is both respectful of the dialects and still manages to present a standard Breton.

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10 January 2013 at 11:24am | IP Logged

It seems as if Breton and Basque have been badly treated by the French auhorities over the years.
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Message 12 of 14

10 January 2013 at 11:56am | IP Logged

akkadboy wrote:

tarvos wrote:

I am learning Breton and the Assimil specifically
states to not be bothered about people
who complain it's "not the same Breton". And I won't.

I may be wrong but this "dont-bother-about-those-who-say-it-s-not-the-same-Breton" is
usually quoted to emphasize that the dialects are mutually intelligible,
contrary to what (French) opposants of Breton used to say when they wanted to undermine
the importance of Breton.

The relationship (and intelligibility) between (new-)Breton and the dialects is a
totally different thing.

Again to be perfectly clear, I'm not taking parts here and saying that there's only two
camps : the good guys who speak pure dialectal Breton on one side and the evil
nationalists who despise dialects and created a completely different language.
Between these two positions exist a whole lot of different attitudes towards Breton.

I thought it would be useful to mention it to learners of Breton.

As a side note, I don't know which Assimil Breton you're using but the old Morvannou
Assimil is available everywhere on the internet. It is one of the few books that
everyone agrees is both respectful of the dialects and still manages to present a
standard Breton.

I am using the 2005 version by Divi Kervella and it mentions that second divide. It has
nothing to do with the French authorities.
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10 January 2013 at 3:52pm | IP Logged

tarvos wrote:

I am using the 2005 version by Divi Kervella and it mentions that second divide. It has
nothing to do with the French authorities.

I'd like to be as optimistic as he seems to be about the mutual intelligibility of new-Breton and the dialects :-)

I read bits of your log, all the best for your studies !
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10 January 2013 at 6:25pm | IP Logged

He needs to be; he wants people to learn Breton!

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