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| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes  Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 17 of 24 30 June 2012 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Už dlouho jsem tady nic nepsal, ale neznamená to vůbec, že jsem v minulém roce přišel o zájem o češtinu. Naopak!
Přestal jsem vůbec študovat českou gramatiku po tom, jak jsem zjistil, že mnohem vice mohu se naučit poslouchaje rozhlas nebo audioknihy. Česky Rozhlas má obrovské množství pořadů dokonale kvality, a kromě toho našel jsem webovu stránku kde mohu koupávat audioknihy. Rád bych taky pohovořil s někým přes Skype, a to proto, že i když moje pasivní znalost češtiny je, myslím si, už na nějaké úrovní, tak neměl jsem až dosud mnoho příležitosti ji využit aktivně. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 18 of 24 08 December 2012 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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600 hours of Czech so far. I haven't spoken the language much, but when I talk with people on chats I have very little or no problem expressing myself. Now, I was invited to take part in TAC 2013. It's a great idea especially given that I'll be studying in Brno during the spring semester so that I'm going to have innumerable opportunities to absorb the language. On the other hand, my enthusiasm somehow decreased after more or less two years of studying Czech. I tend to blame myself for that, but it may be all about usual mental processes I'm not aware of. Anyway, I still spend 7-10 hours with Czech per week, so that I can be sure I'm not only maintaining it, but learning something new.
My plan is to invest in my Czech at least 400 hours more before the next year ends. That should give me general idea about the real value of 1000 hours long exposure. I'm also curious about the process of activating a language. I used to worry I won't be able to switch from passive exposure and writing to speaking, but if my fellow Czech learner managed to do it spending so much less time with the language, I can do it myself. Edited by Theodisce on 08 December 2012 at 1:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 19 of 24 10 December 2012 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Weekly report: 14 hours of Czech, 1 hour of Slovak. I chatted in Czech with a Slovak girl and it was just fine, although I had to reformulate some of my statements so that I had right vocabulary. Which is not that bad, at least I was able to say what I wanted.
As I'm slowly preparing to move to Brno in February, I keep noticing that I lack some words connected with more "ordinary" aspects of life. At one point I was tempted to sit down and memorize lists of names for food and things like that, but eventually I managed to resist the tempatation. I'm strongly against deliberate vocabulary learning, something out of which I hardly draw conclusion about the applicability of my approach to the rest of the world. I does not work for me, period. Or maybe it works, but it's one of the most annoying methods I've ever tried. Sure, I have learned a lot of German words that way, but still, I feel that for me it's too exhaustive to be beneficial. Now, it seems 14 hours per week ratio suits me and I'm hardly able to work more on my Czech. Edited by Theodisce on 10 December 2012 at 3:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Majka Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic kofoholici.wordpress Joined 4656 days ago 307 posts - 755 votes Speaks: Czech*, German, English Studies: French Studies: Russian | Message 20 of 24 10 December 2012 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, I would spend SOME time in January learning the very basics (words you cannot do without in the first few days on your own). Say, about 2 hours browsing following: For basic food, I would say look at www.akcniceny.cz/seznam and try to make shopping list - it has additional advantage of learning the packagings and commonly used descriptions in stores. Don't forget to click "Akce" in the list if available - you get sometimes very detailed lists. For meals, leaf through the recipes on www.recepty.cz - often with pictures, and pick meals you would like to try... Quick glance here can help you more than some descriptions in restaurant menus. The rest of the useful vocabulary will come easily - the simple repetition in everyday life here will take care of it. Edited by Majka on 10 December 2012 at 6:08pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 21 of 24 10 December 2012 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you, Majka! Those links are great and I'm definitely going to spend some time with the websites you recommended. There seem to be much vocabulary overlap, the names of food stemming either from common Slavic, German, or, for things more recent- English.
I've just received results of a Czech language test I submitted. I scored 73/80 and my Czech was evaluated between B1 and B2, which I more or less what I expected, based on the amount of time I've spent with the language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 22 of 24 15 December 2012 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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607 hours so far. I will have added another few hours to this by the end of the weekend. I didn't spend much time with Czech this week as I was busy elsewhere. Still, I found Jiří Beneš's great lectures on Genesis and I'm listening to them on a daily basis. I also bought few new audiobooks offered by audioteka.cz. The bad news is I still have problems with more complex numerals. Edited by Theodisce on 15 December 2012 at 4:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 23 of 24 21 January 2013 at 10:15am | IP Logged | ||
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655 hours so far. I didn't do much last week, it's because I'm preparing for my university exams and some excellent Russian audiobooks and lectures keep distracting me from my Czech studies. I wish Czech had a larger demographic basis, so that there would be more audio materials. Russian 197 hours so far. I'm happy I was clever enough to follow advice of a friend of mine who told me not to read in Russian unless I had enough exposure to the spoken language. Now the whole process of reading is so much easier, or, to put it in a different way, it's just possible. Aleksander Brückner, a great Polish Slavicist of old once said that the Russian spelling system is rather an example of "kakography" than orthography. It may be not so, but still, I feel my audio exposure was essential. Edited by Theodisce on 21 January 2013 at 10:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Theodisce Octoglot Senior Member Poland Joined 5885 days ago 127 posts - 167 votes Speaks: Polish*, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Czech, French, English, German Studies: Italian, Spanish, Slovak, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, Greek, Portuguese | Message 24 of 24 30 March 2013 at 2:33am | IP Logged | ||
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I know I haven't posted here for ages and I'm really sorry about that. I've been experiencing some health problems that prevented me from writing. Also, I needed some time to organize my life in Brno.
Czech. 757 hours so far. As you can see, I invested in my Czech more than 100 hours since my last post. I do not count time spent talking with people and some university classes that were partly in Czech and partly in Latin. This is the first time I'm staying abroad for so long. This is the first time I encounter foreigners on a daily basis in real life situations. And I'm not disappointed with the way I am. I sometimes look for words, I have problems with inflection and long vowels, I'm still quite shy and angry at myself because I cannot speak Czech the way I speak my mother tongue. All of this is not that important. The important thing is that my method has proven really good. To be more precise, I've proven to myself that 650 hours of passive exposure to (mostly) audio materials with very little writing and no speaking is enough to go to a target country and be able not only to do shopping, but to participate actively in university classes intended solely for native speakers, including translating into Czech from other foreign language. The ratio of 7-10 hours weekly seems fine. I could be doing more Czech, but I feel a little bit tired. I really wish the were more Czech audio lectures available online. This is, alas, the way smaller languages seem to differ from bigger ones: the amount of audio content varies. All that being said, the situation of Czech is by no means bad. Nevertheless, I'm really waiting for speech synthesizers with real humane voice and phrasing. This will revolutionize my learning. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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