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| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5208 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 35 of 76 03 March 2011 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's a shame that bilingual-texts isn't online any more, I was planning on making lots of use of it for the next while :(. Anyway if anyone's interested I have their La Chute and 1984 French/English texts on my PC, in RTF and PDF format. And I think L'étranger is on my home laptop but I'll have to check that for sure.
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| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5419 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 36 of 76 03 March 2011 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have L'étranger if anyone wants it. PM me and I'll send it using sendspace.
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| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5670 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 37 of 76 10 March 2011 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The creator of Franker has now kindly implemented two features that I requested: 1: An option to force the translation to appear BEFORE (rather than after) the original text 2: An option to suppress the brackets (parenthesis - oh, which I put here in parenthesis!) that by-default surround the translation These are relatively minor changes, but I have found that they add greatly to the product. Here, then, is the latest version of Franker for Google Chrome The same features are now being added to the iPad/iPhone version of Franker. Edited by Splog on 10 March 2011 at 5:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| carlonove Senior Member United States Joined 5987 days ago 145 posts - 253 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian | Message 38 of 76 17 July 2011 at 3:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I bumped this because I think Franker deserves more attention than it's gotten. I'm currently playing with some mouse macros to get it to highlight and "frankate" in 1-2 clicks.
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| rjtrudel Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6828 days ago 36 posts - 56 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 39 of 76 25 July 2011 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Franker is great! There is also an iphone app called speaktext which does the same thing but splits the text
into seperate sentences and has text to voice, which my Spanish friend says has suprisingly good text to speech (at least its good in Spanish) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 40 of 76 25 July 2011 at 7:05am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I know Frank's homepage, but Splog ("FluentCzech") has made an excellent video on Youtube where he recommends some slight changes to the method, and I recommend his emendations.
Personally I use three kinds of parallel texts: ready-mady books, parallel columns in tables in a wordprocessor program like Word and finally interspersed bilinguals made by copying-and-pasting text from Google translate into Word "as text" or into Notepad (I haven't found out how to use Open/Libraoffice for this). I have explained the last two of these in detail my Guide to Learning Languages in the Techniques subforum here on HTLAL and also in a couple of videos on Youtube (as "NJLIversen"). The readymade books are rare (unless you include texbooks with solutions in the book), but I have for instance once bought an expensive version of "Gesta Danorunm" by Saxo Grammaticus (a magnificent text in Medieval Latin) and a few days ago a bought a book with Sardic verse including a translation into Italian. I would have preferred non-fiction, but sometimes you have to take what you can get. And in both cases the translations are reasonably close to the original, which is a must. I once borrow Satyrican in Latin and Italian from the local library, and it was useless because the translator was one of these failed authors who ae more concerned with their own version than with the original text. Parallel columns are better than opposite pages because you can regulate the length of each version by modifying column widths. I mostly use this format for texts pasted-and-pasted from bilingual site. And finally I use the interspersed format for anything else, provided that the language is one that translate.google.com can deal with. In case somebody opposes the use of machine translations on the grounds that the are faulty I'll just give my standard answer: faulty, but non-cheating machine translations are better than 'free' literary translations which don't follow the original text. The translation is only a help for you to push you over difficult places in the original, or maybe to confirm your own suspicions. Ultimately you have to do your own reading of the original - translations are just crutches which you eventually should throw away. I don't share my translations for the following three reasons: 1) copyright-problems, 2) my baselanguage = Danish, 3) it is easy to do your own translations using the methods I mentioned above - and then you and not I have chosen the original text (which in my eyes is an important factor). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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