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| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5394 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 9 of 27 02 July 2011 at 1:19am | IP Logged | |||||
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After slightly more than a year and a half I currently have around 3500 words in my Japanese deck (mostly double-sided, so 6000'ish cards for vocabulary). Obviously having words "learned" is a huge definitional issue, so you can interpret the # however you'd like.
I am a bit of an Anki vocabulary slammer though (studying for stupid JLPT tests ... decent motivator though), particularly this last half year, so I'm lagging a bit in other areas, except for listening comprehension. I would guess I passed the 2000 word mark after around 14 months. For Spanish, which I just try to maintain mostly nowadays, new words seem to take about 1/4 to 1/3 the time to "learn" as Japanese, although the new Japanese words do seem to be getting easier as I've progressed. Edited by Sandman on 02 July 2011 at 1:21am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5367 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 10 of 27 02 July 2011 at 1:36am | IP Logged | |||||
After a year and a half and 6,000 words learnt, how is your fluency? Has it progressed simultaneously or has fluency been neglected in favour of vocabulary? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5394 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 11 of 27 02 July 2011 at 5:45am | IP Logged | |||||
Uh, oh. I hope you aren't asking me to define "fluency" :P Actually it's 3,500 words, just mostly double-sided which is where the 6000 # comes from. If it was 6,000 words at this point I think I'd be a zombie. There's an opportunity cost to everything you do, so to some degree, my grammar and speaking speed are probably a bit behind where they otherwise could be (although I wouldn't characterize them as being "neglected" really. I do some work on everything except writing). I know you disagree strongly with vocabulary memorization, but for me, not having a sufficient vocabulary to read fully native texts and potentially understand natural native speech is, for me at least, EXTREMELY MADDENING and more "organic" methods of learning words I can't mathematically justify as being as efficient time-wise in getting to that point. Maybe they can be, and I've spent some time trying to figure out how they might be, but as yet I haven't gotten the math to work out that way (honestly, I wish it would). Certainly the specific words can be learned BETTER using other methods, but that will come eventually either way. I wanted to get the JLPT N3 vocabulary into my head quickly, and now for the rest of the year I am shifting over to more grammar and speaking practice (I'm going to Japan for three weeks later this summer, woot) to hopefully consolidate and use some of this vocabulary better. Edited by Sandman on 02 July 2011 at 5:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4895 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 12 of 27 03 July 2011 at 3:24am | IP Logged | |||||
Is this a real figure, or an assumed figure? I'm curious how many words they actually have. And @Sandman: What is "the JLPT N3 vocabulary"? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5394 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 13 of 27 03 July 2011 at 7:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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"What is "the JLPT N3 vocabulary"
Ah, sorry. The Japanese Language Proficiency Test is something a lot of Japanese learners end up taking at various times in order to do things like apply for jobs in Japan, go to school in Japan, or just as a motivational tool in itself. It's kind of the "official" test Japan administers to test foreigners. It's broken up into 5 levels, N5 being the lowest and N1 the highest. There are lots of websites and books designed just to help people pass particular levels of the test. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6929 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 14 of 27 04 July 2011 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
I would also go for the wordcount if I wanted to asses my passive vocabulary size in a language I am intermediate or above in. In the beginning, looking at the vocabulary content of the foundational course one has been using is a more useful measure of overall progress in the language, since it at least partly assesses the size of one's active vocabulary. If one keeps flashcards, counting those is also useful. Edited by frenkeld on 04 July 2011 at 8:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6929 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 15 of 27 04 July 2011 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
I recall some forum memebers who had done the counts claiming the word count was 2,000 to 2,500. A few of the older courses may have been even more vocabulary-rich. As a 'sanity check', 20 new words per lesson times 100 lessons will give you 2,000 words. Edited by frenkeld on 04 July 2011 at 8:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6851 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 16 of 27 18 July 2011 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have my Dutch vocab in blocks of c.100-110 each. I find that on a typical day, I can recall 85-90 of them accurately with no real difficulty. It takes me about 4-5 days of revision to get them anchored.
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