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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6689 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 43 03 November 2011 at 6:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As Fasulye points out you can only do extensive reading when you know the language sufficiently well - or in other words, when you know enough to be able to find sufficiently easy texts. And extremely easy texts are typically either made by purpose for those who believe in the natural method OR they are those texts you have studied intensively before - which of course won't amount to much, mesaured in pages.
But is that really a problem? If I don't know 100 words on a page then I have 100 words to learn, and then my relative gain in knowledge from just this one page can be as big as the one a more skilled learner can get from 100 pages. Edited by Iversen on 03 November 2011 at 6:29pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| fomalhaut Groupie United States Joined 4889 days ago 80 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 10 of 43 03 November 2011 at 6:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
This is a great mindset. So could I, for example, start with true native material (a so called canonical classic), and do intensive reading with that? or is this only for mid level, Harry Potter simple type stuff. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5833 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 43 03 November 2011 at 6:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Fomalhaut, I read these native texts in Danish (= intensive reading) and my Danish is about on a A2 - level. When you do this having such a "low" language level you should accept that you - after having looked up the vocabulary - will not understand every tiny detail of the text. But this is normal under the given circumstances and it's no point to worry about. When you do this regularly, your reading ability will improve quickly!
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4845 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 12 of 43 03 November 2011 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Fasulye, this method is amazing... if you have enough money to copy every book :P Unfortunately, I don't have ;) But I will keep in mind this awesome idea.
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| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5833 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 43 03 November 2011 at 7:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
If you pay per single copy, it's too expensive! I buy a 100 copies - card at a reduced price, this makes it more affordable. For good intensive reading practice it would also be enough, if you only copy two chapters of a book and then use my method to work through them. And: I do this only for study purposes for example for my language course or my private study group. Other language books I just read (extensively) without doing any vocabulary work. I first buy the book - and then make my copies! I also used this (intensive) reading method during my university studies of Romance Languages in the 1990s and it was already very effective back then. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 03 November 2011 at 7:34pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5404 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 14 of 43 03 November 2011 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I find intensive reading very useful but I do it either through LingQ or Learning With Texts.
If you are a free member of LingQ you can get full access to all the content and download and input it to Learning With Texts if you want and you can start with very easy material and move on to more difficult material later. There are also many novels, though most from before the 1950s. Of course there is plenty of content out there you can import yourself. I prefer to use LingQ's system for French and LWT for Norwegian. I like the speed of LingQ in that I can select a lesson and just get learning and often can just select a translation for a word that other users have typed in before, saving some time looking up the dictionary and manually typing in a translation. I could of course just download and input the content into LWT but I don't mind paying $10 a month for the convenience of doing things more speedily and in a slightly more attractive format and I think what LingQ does is great so I am happy to contribute. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5997 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 15 of 43 03 November 2011 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
I wouldn't think it's easy for a beginner. Remember, it's easy to look up words in a dictionary from an example, but it's very difficult to look at a sentence that you don't understand and find the rule in a grammar book that explains what the sentence as a whole means. You really need to have a fairly strong grasp of the grammar before attempting literature. Edited by Cainntear on 03 November 2011 at 11:34pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fomalhaut Groupie United States Joined 4889 days ago 80 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 16 of 43 04 November 2011 at 12:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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absolutely, but we must also note how much grammar we've probably learned just from reading native texts. (Ah! so that's how that goes, got it.)
as said, I've just got to the point in German where i'm reading native material at a decent rate, including newspapers and so called 'real literature' and i feel i've learned more in the past 3 days than I have in the past year. I feel if i knew what i know now about language learning, i could certainly have been at a much higher level now. but i guess half the struggle of learning a language isn't the language itself, but finding methods. Is it right to say that your guys' first language was the most difficult in terms of 'another language! how do i go about this...' ? Edited by fomalhaut on 04 November 2011 at 12:37am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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