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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6517 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 33 of 43 14 November 2011 at 7:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Great stuff, Eric! I'll share my reading technique for Mandarin:
First I copy the text into Pleco on my iPad. If it's found online, I can browse it directly in Pleco. Otherwise I can copy-paste or open it if it's a text document. If it's a physical book, I'll snap a picture with the iPad's camera and read with the OCR function. I start reading, and tap word's I'm unsure about. All of them except truly obscure ones get another tap on the "add flashcard" button, which creates an automatic flascard based on the dictionary I'm using to look the word up. After reading for a while, I'll have gathered 30-60 flashcards. I stop and I do a run through the flashcards, repeating them until I get them. Now I take a break. I do something else, either in Mandarin (watch a TV series) or something completely different. After a while, I come back to Pleco. I do another run through the flashcards. If I find any I want to keep, I add them on Pleco on my iPhone by doing OCR directly on the screen of the iPad. This is a bit silly, but Pleco hasn't added flashcard syncing between devices yet, and it works great. When I'm done, I erase all the flashcards on the iPad and start reading the next bit. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5946 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 34 of 43 14 November 2011 at 11:39am | IP Logged | ||||||||
But we've already got the perfectly valid term "reading for gist" to describe reading without looking words up -- I don't see a need to corrupt the term "extensive reading" for this purpose. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6485 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 35 of 43 14 November 2011 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
When we discuss "extensive" vs "intensive" reading, we almost always use the term "extensive reading". So there's no corruption. If you feel strongly enough about it to create a poll, I will yield to the results. Short of that, I'll stick with "extensive". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Hendrek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4817 days ago 152 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Persian | Message 36 of 43 14 November 2011 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm glad you're finding it useful. Like I said, I'm just now getting started reading native nexts myself (this is my first novel). After reading through this thread some more, I was thinking that making it a more "assembly line"-like method might be helpful. Meaning, do a step completely before moving to the next. Ex: write all words that you don't know for a passage, THEN look them up all at once with an online dictionary and fill in the list with the definitions. It's slightly more efficient for time, but less intensive since you don't learn the words as you go. What eric wrote seems like an even better idea though: just annotate in the book itself which words to look up later. I agree with Ari that his method sounds like the best use of resources in this modern age, but for me to do that would cost me more than I've spent on language material to date (since I don't even have a smartphone or iPad or anything remotely related to it). What I did this weekend, though, was a marathon L-R session. So I haven't even looked up any words, but have just been reading (roughly 200 pages in Italian). Though I was skeptical of it*, I can report that L-R actually does work pretty well for me, but I think the essential follow-up is to go back through the book intensively. After the L-R, there should be (fingers crossed) far fewer words and phrases that I'll need to look up than if I hadn't already L-R'd it. *Edit: In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have been, since the method is really just the Assimil approach done for a much longer session. Edited by Hendrek on 14 November 2011 at 4:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6638 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 37 of 43 14 November 2011 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Quantity and a certain amount of speed are for me necessary components in extensive reading or listening, but you can do these things in languages where you definitely get more than the gist from the exercise - so the two notions don't mean exactly the same. In this situation it also likely that you don't look words up because you don't need to look anything up. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6374 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 38 of 43 15 November 2011 at 12:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
It's also not a corruption of the term. "Extensive reading" is described in a number of sources, dating back to at least the mid-1990s (for instance, "The Art and Science of Learning Languages"). 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| aloysius Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6175 days ago 226 posts - 291 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, German Studies: French, Greek, Italian, Russian | Message 39 of 43 15 November 2011 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm pretty sure those terms were used when I studied English in the mid-1980s and I
believe I've seen their Swedish equivalents in a general introduction to academic foreign language learning which dates back at least another ten years. So I'd say they're reasonably well defined and practical to use. //aloysius 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| fomalhaut Groupie United States Joined 4838 days ago 80 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 40 of 43 15 November 2011 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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a poster mentioned reading out loud as a tool; what exactly does this improve? pronunciation (only if you are already confirmed as having a working pronunciation of course), hearing?
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