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| Al-Irelandi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5521 days ago 111 posts - 177 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 1 of 35 10 November 2011 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have found many on here using many materials based on the audiolingualist and grammar
translation models of second language learning, such as DLI, FSI, berlitz ty and assimil courses. I wanted to ask despite the flawed nature of these 2 models that is attested to by modern day applied linguists, how comes they are so popular amongst yourselves? Do you actually perform the drills and all those behaviourst stlye exercises and if so do you feel they have benefited yourselves in actual second language acquisition? Edited by Al-Irelandi on 10 November 2011 at 2:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5655 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 35 10 November 2011 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
I use them because they work. They have been proven to be effective for many decades. The problem I have with modern applied linguistic theories is that no matter how promising they sound, they are not time proven. Many theories come and go, but few endure, because often what sounds like a good practice in theory proves to be a bad theory in practice. Edited by Splog on 10 November 2011 at 3:46pm 11 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| fomalhaut Groupie United States Joined 4889 days ago 80 posts - 101 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 3 of 35 10 November 2011 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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how many courses created by these linguists who pass this style off, have created their own systems that are far superior?
FSI is quite literally just rote to the point where the reaction is beyond a cognitive measure but rather just a simple muscle reaction. It's pretty effective, and i don't see how these particular guys can say anything to the contrary 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4851 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 4 of 35 10 November 2011 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
My ex-wife is a teacher and she used to come home with tales of how the "ivory tower" educational "experts" had just come out with some "new and revolutionary" teaching method that made all the others obsolete. As she saw it the problem was that every year there was another reason why last year's new method wasn't very good. She got sick and tired of the school district always imposing ridiculous new and untested theories on the teachers. I've been using the first unit of Platequemos, and while there hasn't really been anything new in the way of grammar or vocabulary so far, I've found that my spoken fluency and ability to understand speech has improved dramatically in my once-per-week encounters with native speakers. My personal experience it that it works quite well for improving fluency. --gary 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5997 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 5 of 35 10 November 2011 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
A good learner can learn from a bad course. --BUT-- A bad learner can only learn from a good course. If a course or teaching methodology is proven to be ineffective, that only means it's not effective for the average person -- it doesn't say that a minority of independent learners can't learn from it. The people who end up here are generally above average in terms of attainment, so are in general capable of learning from suboptimal teaching. The problem is that most people don't realise this and ascribe their success to a particular course or resource which they then recommend uncritically. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4814 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 6 of 35 10 November 2011 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
An interesting perspective, which suggests to me that in order to make any meaningful judgements about new methods that come along, they should be subjected to something like randomised controlled trials, as in the world of medicine, or a series of independent "lab tests", as in the world of physics. The trouble is, these things take a long time, and it's hard to see how they could fit into school situation, for example, although less of a problem with adults (both morally and practically).
As I know nothing about "Platequemos", would you say it fits into the category of "tried and tested over time" or is it a new, modern method? Edited by montmorency on 10 November 2011 at 8:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| fiziwig Senior Member United States Joined 4851 days ago 297 posts - 618 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 7 of 35 10 November 2011 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
Platequemos is the FSI method brought up to date. It uses a lot of the old original FSI recordings, and a lot of new recordings as well. http://multilingualbooks.com/fsi-platiquemos.html I should add that I do not rely on Platequemos for grammar. That I get from textbooks. I find the Platequemos "replacement drills" excellent practice for thinking quickly and coming up with the right verb form, article, number, and adjective agreements. The fast paced drills work something like this: Voice: Allí está una silla buena. (student repeats) Voice: the books (Student replaces "está una silla buena" with "están los libros buenos.") Voice: Here (student replaces Allí with Aquí", keeping the previous changes) Voice: a pen (student says: "Aquí está una pluma buena.") ... and so on for several minutes before giving you a chance to catch your breath. The substitutions have to be made quickly in order to get them spoken before the voice supplies the answer. It has helped me to internalize things like adjective number and gender agreement and verb conjugations. I don't have to consciously think about those things any more. They are just there, ready every time I open my mouth. --gary Edited by fiziwig on 10 November 2011 at 10:03pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Al-Irelandi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5521 days ago 111 posts - 177 votes Speaks: English* | Message 8 of 35 10 November 2011 at 10:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
Agreed. Would one not agree that as independent language learners we should keep up to date with findings in the field of second language acquisition research so as to try and utilise some of their findings that we are better able to acquire our L2s in an optimal manner? Much empirical research spanning over years has been conducted and has shown some methods to be better than others, with some yielding few results are we then going to dismiss such findings altogether, altogether undermining the expertise and efforts of those researchers and accusing them of being frauds? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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