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| Scorpicus Triglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 5321 days ago 27 posts - 46 votes Speaks: English*, ItalianB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Russian | Message 25 of 29 18 December 2011 at 11:04am | IP Logged | ||
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I found studying the grammar very much improved my ability to utilise more advanced structures correctly in speech. Although, by studying grammar, I don't mean simply reading a reference book. I think to get the benefits for speech you need an exhaustive grammar exercise book that is thorough enough to cover all the exceptions, and that focuses on language you might actually use in a conversation i.e. exercises containing "Why didn't you come to the cinema last night?", not "The black cat is in the old hat."
Methodically go through from start to end writing out all the examples, and all the exercises in full to try to internalise the grammar structures. To avoid just mindlessly copying, read the phrase once and then write it out without looking, check and correct. For the exercises, before putting pen to paper, I would say the (hopefully) correct phrase aloud, and then write it. Essentially, you are training yourself to do the mental gymnastics, congregations etc., quick enough to produce fluidly in a conversation. Obviously, writing will not help bad pronunciation, but as a previous poster pointed out, by producing the written language correctly, you are having to do the same mental exercise that is used to produce correctly the spoken language as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5519 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes  Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French | Message 26 of 29 18 December 2011 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | ||
Which books in particular? Care to recommend them? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5752 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 27 of 29 18 December 2011 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||
That's actually the way I learn grammar, that and by half-memorizing short sample texts. That is, I write down the first letter of every word (or a latin transcription) and learn how to read the text from those clues. I guess it helps that I read aloud, and because I concentrate on getting the words right it means the grammar rules I have to apply are pushed one more step towards automatization. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6583 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 28 of 29 20 December 2011 at 5:21am | IP Logged | ||
if you're not consciously thinking of which grammar structure to use, you just use what you're more comfortable with. so you need to get more comfortable with advanced grammar. you could try audiobooks or tv shows/podcasts on topics like history, politics, economics to get used to hearing the advanced constructions. chances are you'll then find yourself using them more :) try also SRS'ing this stuff, just to remind yourself that it exists. i've just decided to do this with some of the Finnish structures which I practised a lot some... 4 years ago :O but don't see often enough to actually use them. i AM comfortable with them but i have to remember that they even exist XD 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jasoninchina Senior Member China Joined 5217 days ago 221 posts - 306 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Italian | Message 29 of 29 20 December 2011 at 8:12am | IP Logged | ||
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@ aabram Yip Po-Ching and Don Rimmington have a series of books that are quite helpful. "Basic Chinese: A Grammar and workbook" and "Intermediate Chinese: A Grammar and workbook" are the two that I have. They have similar books/workbooks in a number of other languages.
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