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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6536 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 17 of 33 23 November 2011 at 9:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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But why do it? I can't imagine a world in which I wouldn't be able to get access to natives, and I always prefer natives
to non natives. Are you guys that different? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tommus Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5852 days ago 979 posts - 1688 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish | Message 18 of 33 23 November 2011 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
For languages like Dutch where almost all the accessible Dutch speakers are already C2 in English, it is almost impossible to find a language partner anywhere close to B1/B2. So the language exchanges are extremely unbalanced and difficult to sustain for several reasons: 1. It is difficult to contribute much to the Dutch speaker because he/she is already very good in English. 2. The big imbalance puts too much pressure on the B1/B2 partner. 3. The C2 partner probably is very bored and loses interest in long conversations with the partner butchering his/her language, and I wouldn't blame them. 4. A long and extensive interaction (Skype for example) with this imbalance is unrealistic. Find me a Dutch-speaking language partner at B1/B2 in English who wants to improve his/her English in exchange for helping with Dutch, and I won't need an L2-L2 partner. I'd bet that a lot of learners of Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and other language where most everyone speaks very good English have the same problem of finding a balanced language exchange. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5367 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 19 of 33 23 November 2011 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
Have you considered exchanging something else than language? Maybe you have another skill you could trade? For instance -- in reverse though --, I was considering getting programming lessons for my son, and I wondered whether a foreign student with poor English skills may not be interested in trading English practice time or formal teaching time for programming lessons. From past experience, some foreign TA's reeeeaaally could use the help... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6536 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 20 of 33 24 November 2011 at 5:30am | IP Logged | |||||
I would be perfectly happy with a C2 English speaking Dutch native, and am amazed that you wouldn't be. Almost all of my language partners and teachers have had better English than my L2. And I don't think it would be very hard for you to find Dutch language partners on skype. I personally avoid learning off of somebody else's L2. But then I also insist on reading things that were originated in L2. I'm sort of a purist in that way. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5193 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 21 of 33 24 November 2011 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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For me, it's because finding native speakers who're actually willing to take me seriously and help me out can be very difficult, so no matter how hard I try I just don't get enough access to native speakers to be able to talk enough to progress at the rate I want. Other learners, on the other hand, are easier to find and are always willing to talk, so they "fill in the gaps". Language meetups are very hit-or-miss in terms of how many native speakers attend and whether they're helpful towards learners or they just want to talk to each other; most of my attempts at one-to-one exchanges (Skype or real life) have resulted in organisational problems, unreliability, flakiness, no-shows, and never hearing back after the first meeting; and tutors are an option but there's only so much I'm willing to pay for the privilege of talking to someone for an hour.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5997 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 22 of 33 24 November 2011 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
But is it clear because it is more similar to your accent? Gaelic consonant pairs have an aspirate distinction (B can be [b] or [p], P can be [bh] or [ph]), whereas English has voicing for distinction. Most Gaelic learners borrow the voicing distinction into Gaelic, even the very good ones, so a learner accent is "clearer" to another learner, but it doesn't really help you learn the language.... Edited by Cainntear on 24 November 2011 at 1:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5416 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 23 of 33 24 November 2011 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I participate regularly in language meetups where learners gather to practice their L2. Some people are very advanced and others are at more of an intermediate level. We try to have a native speaker at each table to help with correcting major mistakes and finding words, but this is rarely possible.
I find that most people enjoy the experience even though we all aware that this is not the same as having a private native L2 tutor. The big advantage is that it is an opportunity to actually use the language in a non-intimidating atmosphere. You can feel comfortable making mistakes, and in the best case scenario someone will correct you. Despite its limitations, this is better than sitting at home talking to yourself or a microphone. (This is good too, by the way). Most people don't like to inflict their bad L2 on native L1 speakers or friends. And for many people it is actually a nice social event and a way to meet people. Edited by s_allard on 24 November 2011 at 2:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5367 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 24 of 33 24 November 2011 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's funny, I'm more self-conscious of my mistakes in front of non-natives. Edited by Arekkusu on 24 November 2011 at 2:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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