s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5431 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish
| Message 41 of 70 19 December 2011 at 7:13pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
s_allard wrote:
From what I have read, it is estimated that it takes around 75 to 100 hours of instruction to attain the A1 level in any of the European languages. If we cut that in half and concentrate on the spoken language, we can get the learning time down to around 40 hours. This looks doable in a week. But forget about B1 or B2. |
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I'm guessing what you read wasn't about Russian... or Finnish, for that matter. |
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I'm only trying to be optimistic here. I'm not saying that one can attain A1 easily in any language in a week. All I'm saying is that if you disregard the written language and work full time every day for a week in ideal conditions, you might be able to attain the lowest spoken level on the CEFR scale. And the more I think about it, the more I believe it applies to pretty much any language, including Russian and Finnish. Do I believe that most people can do this? No.
What would be the ideal conditions? It would be something like this. I'm living in Moscow in the home of my Russian language teacher. I have 4 hours a day of private instruction. Then another 3-4 hours of practice conversations with a tutor or coach. Then some free time to enjoy some Russian culture in the company of a Russian speaker. I believe that after a week of that language diet I'll be somewhere in the A1 zone. Now, that would be a nice Christmas gift.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 42 of 70 19 December 2011 at 7:37pm | IP Logged |
s_allard wrote:
What would be the ideal conditions? It would be something like this. I'm living in Moscow in the home of my Russian language teacher. I have 4 hours a day of private instruction. Then another 3-4 hours of practice conversations with a tutor or coach. Then some free time to enjoy some Russian culture in the company of a Russian speaker. I believe that after a week of that language diet I'll be somewhere in the A1 zone. Now, that would be a nice Christmas gift. |
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We need to start a service where people offer a week or a weekend in a language + instruction -- move over couchsurfing, here comes... tonguesurfing?
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 43 of 70 19 December 2011 at 9:47pm | IP Logged |
Arekkusu wrote:
s_allard wrote:
What would be the ideal conditions? It would be something like this. I'm living in Moscow in the home of my Russian language teacher. I have 4 hours a day of private instruction. Then another 3-4 hours of practice conversations with a tutor or coach. Then some free time to enjoy some Russian culture in the company of a Russian speaker. I believe that after a week of that language diet I'll be somewhere in the A1 zone. Now, that would be a nice Christmas gift. |
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We need to start a service where people offer a week or a weekend in a language + instruction -- move over couchsurfing, here comes... tonguesurfing? |
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This sort of holiday is available, but it's not cheap. You're not going to find many people willing to give up that much time for free.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 44 of 70 19 December 2011 at 9:50pm | IP Logged |
Cainntear wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:
s_allard wrote:
What would be the ideal conditions? It would be something like this. I'm living in Moscow in the home of my Russian language teacher. I have 4 hours a day of private instruction. Then another 3-4 hours of practice conversations with a tutor or coach. Then some free time to enjoy some Russian culture in the company of a Russian speaker. I believe that after a week of that language diet I'll be somewhere in the A1 zone. Now, that would be a nice Christmas gift. |
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We need to start a service where people offer a week or a weekend in a language + instruction -- move over couchsurfing, here comes... tonguesurfing? |
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This sort of holiday is available, but it's not cheap. You're not going to find many people willing to give up that much time for free. |
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Sure, but 2 people may agree to each give up a week for the other.
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zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4930 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese
| Message 45 of 70 20 December 2011 at 8:17am | IP Logged |
What I'm attempting isn't really a true "A2". Looking at the suggested hours for course completion of even an A1, seems to exceed the amount of time available.
My efforts will only focus on the spoken language, a sort of A2-S, as it were.
While I feel that ignoring the reading and writing of a language is not something I would recommend in the long-term, there's little time.
Step 1: Find a native Russian speaker to conduct the test. COMPLETE
Step 2: Find some resources for the spoken Russian language.
http://www.russianforfree.com/lessons-russian-language-01.ph p
I'm also looking for Pimsleur Russian.
Step 3: Ignore the Russian alphabet. :) I will try to learn it today. Maybe it will help me on the rest of this journey, but only after listening to live Russian, rather than just reading it.
Discovered this on Quizlet. Downloaded it to my iPhone.
http://quizlet.com/333462/the-russian-alphabet-flash-cards/
More to come...
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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6440 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 46 of 70 20 December 2011 at 8:20am | IP Logged |
Learning the Russian alphabet really doesn't take long. A few hours of Listening-Reading did it for me.
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Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6471 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese
| Message 47 of 70 20 December 2011 at 8:33am | IP Logged |
If you like enigmas, try
http://www.alphadictionary.com/rusgrammar/alphabet.html this page to learn the
Cyrillic alphabet.
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zhanglong Senior Member United States Joined 4930 days ago 322 posts - 427 votes Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese
| Message 48 of 70 20 December 2011 at 1:28pm | IP Logged |
Sprachprofi, that was a very interesting link. I'll finish it later today.
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