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| Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6495 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian | Message 17 of 28 25 December 2012 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| Spiderkat Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5814 days ago 175 posts - 248 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Russian | Message 18 of 28 25 December 2012 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It implies that you go there and come back. It's not about the process of only going there but the process of the entire action from the moment you leave to your return with all the things you do there.
Yes. It's about the action as a whole, not just about the listening part. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 19 of 28 25 December 2012 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Значения разные, получаются. Например, "Ты увидел сегодня учительницу?" будет означать "Тебе удалось ее увидеть?". Нейтральный вопрос в данном случае - "Ты видел сегодня учительницу?". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Mikael84 Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Peru Joined 5302 days ago 76 posts - 116 votes Speaks: French*, Finnish*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Arabic (classical), German, Russian | Message 20 of 28 25 December 2012 at 6:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I thought that the act of going somewhere and coming back on a specific occasion was rendered by the verb сходить, not ходить. Would there be a big difference in meaning between saying: ты был в школе сегодня ты ходил в школу сегодня ты сходил в школу сегодня ? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4846 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 21 of 28 25 December 2012 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's wrong. Going somewhere and coming back is rendered by ходить -- in contrast to идти, which means going in a certain direction. Сходить means something like 'to go/come down', 'to descend', or 'to get off'.
I'll leave this question for a native speaker to answer, but to my mind the first two sentences convey more or less the same meaning. I'm not sure about the third one though. Edited by Josquin on 25 December 2012 at 7:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5058 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 22 of 28 25 December 2012 at 7:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Сходить has two meanings. An imperfective verb with the meaning you mentioned and a perfective verb with the meaning to go and come back. Я сходил в школу give me associations like I went and quickly returned without staying there for too long. It doesn't sound right to me. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4846 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 23 of 28 25 December 2012 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
You just destroyed my illusion that I had understood the Russian verbs of motion... 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6599 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 24 of 28 26 December 2012 at 12:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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It actually does look like your understanding is quite good overall!
I wasn't paying attention and I was like: *frown* um, who was it who wrote this? surely not Mark? ....totally not Mark. As for сходить в школу=not being there for long, I think it depends on the general timeframe. E.g. when you see someone on your way from school, "сходил в школу?" definitely sounds strange and implies skipping most of the day (or legitimately missing classes), but it's ok for the parents to ask this way when they come home from work, as by that moment (presumably 8pm or so) going to school is only a fragment of your day. To me сходить implies spending under 50% of your waking hours there. Like for example, I've recently started a job and I'm mostly working from home, but I had to go to the office in the beginning to learn things. As I was only learning (and it's only a part-time job to begin with), I would mostly spend no more than 3 hours per day in the office. My dad was sorta jealous and he would say сходила на работу to emphasize how little time I spent there:D As for Ты был в школе?, to me this implies either missing something important or being present as opposed to being absent. This would be the typical question when half the school has the flu and you call someone to ask whether they've been to classes and then to ask about the homework. Like if you're not sure whether your classmate has the flu or not. If something important has happened, this would be the way to bring that up. Like, "you've mentioned nothing about that test, HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN TO SCHOOL TODAY?" Basically, быть implies "were you present when (something else happened)?". This other event is typically not mentioned, as the person is expected to have heard the Big News even if they weren't present, or to have a general idea what they missed. Edited by Serpent on 26 December 2012 at 12:36am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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