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| Abdalan Triglot Senior Member Brazil abdalan.wordpress.co Joined 5032 days ago 120 posts - 194 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, French, English Studies: German | Message 17 of 29 11 September 2011 at 5:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Although I believe this might be desirable, I don't read L1 beforehand anymore. I did with "Le Comte" but I'm not completely sure this is worth of it (in my poor sinful experience - everybody say exactly the contrary, including the pope). I learn the language as I apprehend the message itself... at the same time. This may be tricky but if I don't know the plot of a novel beforehand, I'm interested not in words 'per se', but in the scenario, the snarl, the action; *that* grasp my attention - at least the first time I LR the book (as you saw I do 3). You will see, after some hours, you forget in what language you are LR: you just want know if the good guy are going to flee before the gangster blabla. My suggestion? Try both ways. Besides, if you are using a parallel text, the translation is there just some inches apart (if that doesn't shed any light, the old pop up dictionary will do - I use Babylon). Between us: listen to Volte, he's the man. PS. If you have any problem to align the texts (hopefully you got them in ebook format), I can help with the initial steps if you are learning a language like Portuguese, French, Spanish, German, Italian... and, if you have good translations, Russian and Polish. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Dr. POW Groupie Canada Joined 4951 days ago 48 posts - 58 votes Studies: German, English* Studies: French | Message 18 of 29 11 September 2011 at 5:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm just wondering where you can get these in German and French. I'm still in high
school and don't have a job (I might be a lifeguard within 5 months from now), and my parents currently control what comes out of my wallet, and despite this being educational, I don't think they'll agree. Are there any of these that can be downloaded in PDF format, or found online? Another question. I think I'm far enough into French to learn this, but my vocab is still low (probably at 5000 words) and I don't feel like I'm at basic fluency until I cross off all of the grammar lessons on my list (what triggers the subjunctive, declensions/agreement, etc.). I have no idea what level a learner should be at before learning those things, but I still plan to. Would I be ready to use L-R the way I am right now? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5752 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 19 of 29 11 September 2011 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If you don't mind reading books that are a bit older, try Librivox for German and French. They have quite a number of public domain audio books in that include a link to the text in the same language For many you might be able to find an English translation on Project Gutenberg or maybe even in your public library. No Harry Potter, but they have many books I enjoyed reading more than that.
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| TMoneytron Groupie United States Joined 4847 days ago 70 posts - 83 votes Studies: German | Message 20 of 29 11 September 2011 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Abdalan,
I would like to find some parallel texts for German. I'm not sure where to find them lol. Any help would be appreciated. I don't think the Harry Potter vocab at the beginning is difficult to require a parallel text, however. I like the idea of working through the Harry Potter series, it'll be like growing up in German, like many English speakers "grew up" in reading skill with the Harry Potter series. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5394 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 21 of 29 13 September 2011 at 8:21am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I mainly just use it to help with listening comprehension once I've reached an intermediate type stage. I think it can be a good step before going onto pure television/radio.
Although I feel it may be a very powerful and useful method in general, during the time I've been here and trying to follow those that have attempted L-R based methods, it seems like trying to learn mostly through L-R has roughly a 95% burn out ratio (maybe closer to 100%). Almost no one, including many initially very enthusiastic and driven students are able to continue with it more than a week or two it seems. I've spent quite a few of those 3-4 hour type days that are seen as the minimum required, and I understand why. For something that is suppose to be "easy" and "enjoyable" it really isn't. After an hour or so your eyes start to blur and you want to fall asleep. Various "tricks" or breaks must be used to keep your concentration going for the required lengths of time, which makes it not much easier than regular intense study which can more easily take varied forms over the required time span in order to maintain interest. I do enjoy doing L-R, but over much more limited time frames than what a purer L-R approach demands, thus my reliance on it mainly as an intermediate-stage listening comprehension tool. Edited by Sandman on 13 September 2011 at 9:00am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6425 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 22 of 29 13 September 2011 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It's not really designed for being used more than a week or two in a row, I'd say. Very few intensive activities are.
I find it enjoyable. As for easy - has anyone who's tried it claimed that? Fast, yes - easy, no. Atamagaii refers to the first few hours of it as "hell". My eyes don't blur with L-R. I do want to take naps - as I like to do with most forms of intensive learning.
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4814 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 23 of 29 13 September 2011 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As I understand it, "shadowing" is a kind of optional extra step for this method.
Whether or not you actually go to that stage, I wonder if the emphasis on posture and pacing that Arguelles promotes in his shadowing Youtube videos would be useful in the normal stages of the L-R system? This presupposes that you are not fixed to one point, or too close to one point, so your materials and tools need to be suitable, e.g. printed-out text or in book form, or perhaps on Kindle or similar, and either speakers or headphones that allow you to wander. To the extent that my materials allow it, I've tried just getting up and wandering about, instead of being glued to my computer, and I do prefer it. I do have to rest my eyes from time to time though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| TMoneytron Groupie United States Joined 4847 days ago 70 posts - 83 votes Studies: German | Message 24 of 29 18 September 2011 at 8:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this here:
http://www.audible.de/ But audible is available in different languages. They use a confusing file format and you have to access the webiste in the language you want to learn in, but there's a TON of stuff available on here, and cheaper and faster than if you bought them on CD. You can even put them on your phone. The format is annoying though, and I have yet to find a way to convert it to MP3, or split it up so that it's not just a 3 or 4 hour long audio file. Edited by TMoneytron on 18 September 2011 at 8:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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