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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7204 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 17 of 38 06 April 2005 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I've been studying from the booklet on bathroom breaks. If I start at the bottom of the page and go up, it's more challenging than going in the normal order. Learning backward and forward should help recall better than just doing them in order. BTW, excellent review of Penton's Spanish 24. Immersion Plus is a bit over my head at the moment. Which Platiquemos lesson are you working on? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| heartburn Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 355 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 18 of 38 06 April 2005 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I'm just beginning level two. Which level are you doing?
Do you think the words on the VocabuLearn CDs should be presented categorically? Like dining, travel, business? Would that help you remember them better? Do you think it matters? Hey! you didn't give my review a vote! Edited by heartburn on 06 April 2005 at 7:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| pentatonic Senior Member United States Joined 7246 days ago 221 posts - 245 votes | Message 19 of 38 06 April 2005 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I edited my previous post and added some ideas on using the course effectively and painlessly.
I prefer it that way. In the "Learn in Your Car" course things are grouped and it's very often easy to guess the correct answer after hearing the previous answer.
I think it would ease such confusion but would hurt memorization for that same reason given above.
Yes and I unfortunately couldn't get it to work. I had better luck just using a noise gate to remove the music during the quiet parts but in the end I just left things as they were (but converted to mono).
I read and enjoyed it and also forgot to vote for you. I'll go back and do that now :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| heartburn Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 355 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 20 of 38 06 April 2005 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Yes, I agree that the randomization helps memorization. But where that fails is in what Luke eluded to when he said he reads the word lists in reverse order. That is, even without the context, you still know which word is coming up next! It's almost the same problem.
So, I did what you suggested last in your amended (and very excellent) post. But I went even further, with one word per track. I started cutting up the whole program into individual terms and creating a playlist in iTunes. That way, I could discard words like "amigo" and "hola," and I could shuffle the remainder. Unfortunately, I got very bored after 741 tracks. I often think that someday I'll finish cutting them up. Then I come to my senses and figure my time is better spent studying (or doing practically anything else). I also couldn't get the music completely filtered out. I was able to suppress it, but not entirely. Surprisingly, it really isn't all that annoying when you shuffle it. I replaced the pauses between utterances with digital silence. So there is very little left of the music in my edited version. Thanks for the vote! Edited by heartburn on 06 April 2005 at 10:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| heartburn Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 355 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 21 of 38 06 April 2005 at 10:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I had something to say about playlists and I posted it here. Then I realized that it might have a wider interest, so I moved it here. Edited by heartburn on 06 April 2005 at 11:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7204 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 22 of 38 07 April 2005 at 2:07am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I was into the high teens with Platiquemos. I also have Barrons FSI 2, but my study was interrupted when the first tape broke. I got the first tape from the library and I'm following the Barrons track again. When I complete lesson 30, I'll go back to Platiquemos. One advantage of Barrons for me is that since it's audio tape, rather than CD, I'm not tempted to spend a lot of time editing the lessons. ;)
You give excellent reviews. I just voted for several of them as atonement. Edited by luke on 07 April 2005 at 2:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| heartburn Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 355 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 23 of 38 07 April 2005 at 2:14am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I see! Thanks for the votes Luke!
I'm surprised that you prefer audiotape. I've taken all my tapes and made mp3s of them. But you're right. The temptation to tamper with them is great while the waveform is on the screen. Since you've done so much of both Barron's and Platiquemos, I'd really like to read your comparison of the two. Maybe you can start a new topic for that? Edited by heartburn on 07 April 2005 at 2:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Leibniz Groupie United States Joined 6529 days ago 40 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Danish | Message 24 of 38 02 June 2007 at 1:55am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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There are some excellent ideas in this old thread! I'm bumping it for the
benefit of other newbies who haven't seen it. Inspired by it, I decided to try splicing one of my non-music-"enhanced" Vocabulearn CDs and discovered that it's really quite easy in Audacity. The "Silence Finder" command automatically finds and marks the words, which then can be batch saved to individual MP3s by choosing "Export Labels..." from the File menu. The entire process takes less than a minute. Being able to randomize and easily repeat the words in iTunes is wonderful -- much more useful than the original Vocabulearn format. Also, Pentatonic's idea of using the MP3s to create "audio flash cards" in SuperMemo is pretty cool. Has anyone tried it? 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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