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| dongsen Newbie Taiwan Joined 4744 days ago 30 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English | Message 9 of 23 21 October 2011 at 12:47am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks guys for all the comments. It does help to re-enforce the point. Don't try to use anki to learn new
words, or if you do, don't try to use it in the traditional sense that anki is intended to be used (: 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6485 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 10 of 23 21 October 2011 at 5:14am | IP Logged | |||||
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If you really, really want to start with anki, Damien has developed several special ways of doing it, since it's a
popular complaint.I recommend going to the anki forum and posing the question. I doubt if any of them are as good as lists, but you may prefer them. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dongsen Newbie Taiwan Joined 4744 days ago 30 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English | Message 11 of 23 21 October 2011 at 6:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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I have been meaning to get around to researching this "lists" thing a bit more. Just been crazy busy with tests,
study, and exams lately. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dongsen Newbie Taiwan Joined 4744 days ago 30 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English | Message 12 of 23 21 October 2011 at 6:38am | IP Logged | |||||
Great tips, much appreciated. I am going to try and work out the lists thing. With regards to the number of words per day, Its that many words per day for as long as I decide to continue completing the course. I think the key is its designed for full time study not part time study. I have heard from some other students 6 months of classes is enough to give you a reasonably good level of competence (ie ability to understand TV shows and things like that). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6485 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 13 of 23 21 October 2011 at 8:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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It will be very impressive if you can do this for 6 months. A couple of concerns. First, if you need to take a break on occasion to let things
settle in or just rest, do it and don't feel too bummed out about it. Happens to even the most diligent language learners. Second, try not to let vocabulary grindage become too high of a fraction of your total study time. For an intense effort like this, 1/4 to 1/3 is probably optimal. 1/2 is too much. This is probably the most easily measured indicator of whether you're getting enough reading and other studies to make all that vocabulary stick. Regarding lists, you might want to read Iversen's posts on the matter. He's an amazing vocabulary list learner, although he hasn't done a chinese character based language. Maybe he has a suggested method for Mandarin...not sure. But his general advice is great. I could tell you how I do it if you like, but maybe you have a way that works better for you. Lastly, could you tell us more about this course? Is it a real class, or a self-study program? What's it called, how does it work, etc. A program that enables someone to understand TV in 6 months intrigues me. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5343 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 14 of 23 23 October 2011 at 11:10am | IP Logged | |||||
There is no class in which you have to learn 30-40 words a day, unless it is for a full-time job that you have to learn that language and you can put ALL your time toward it. At that rate you would learn 2700-3600 words in a quarter, which is completely unrealistic for a westerner to learn a language like Chinese. You'd have a vocabulary in which you could probably read natural Chinese works in about a quarter and a half (assuming you could use those words, which you surely would not). There is nothing that will teach you that many words, not Anki, not anything. And it's not just you. No Westerner can do that, unless they've got Rainman skills. This is one thing that annoys me (although I guess there might be many things, really. I'm easily annoyable these days). People put absolutely impossible expectations on something like Anki, and then complain about the program when it "doesn't work". If it isn't working, it's because your mind, as anyone that's studied languages like Chinese/Japanese/Korean/etc would fully expect, simply cannot absorb that many new words each day consistently. Unless you're Rainman, you're asking the impossible. Edited by Sandman on 23 October 2011 at 11:35am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| dongsen Newbie Taiwan Joined 4744 days ago 30 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English | Message 15 of 23 23 October 2011 at 11:20am | IP Logged | |||||
I am studying "Full time" at the Fengjia University language centre in Taiwan. The pace you learn at appears to differ somewhat depending on which teacher you have. All teachers simply take you through the "Practical Audio Visual chinese" book, and some teachers also create their own own additional material which both re-enforces what the book is teaching but also introduces many new words. My teacher is creating extra reading, question/and answer practice, and recordings to listen to. I think the clash comes with the fact that she doesn't expect us to be using anki to learn words, instead she is expecting that continual exposure to the words each and every day will help us remember them. Two months ago I was at a point where i had done once daily classes on and off, chinesepod, etc. Coming to taiwan I still could barely understand general conversation. Two months on, and I can now catch the gist of much of what is being discussed all around me. Obviously I still have a long way to go but the 14 hours of class time + probably 5-10 hours of out of class work is really really progressing things quite quickly. I guess time will tell how successful it will be (: I think one of the reasons I am having some trouble is that a good portion of the students are japanese/korean so they have a a reasonable background of reading and writing a larger range of characters. Edited by dongsen on 23 October 2011 at 11:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5343 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 16 of 23 23 October 2011 at 11:31am | IP Logged | |||||
If there's any good reason for your feeling of being too slow, this is it. You're at a massive disadvantage from birth. Anki can help, but it is insufficient to close that sort of gap. Whatever methods you use, if you want to keep pace you'll probably have to work 2-3x as hard as they are. A Chinese person trying to learn Spanish as quickly as an equally capable English person would be an endeavor in futility. If trying to compete against Japanese and Koreans, what you're trying to do is much, much harder. You have both language and "alphabet" related disadvantages to overcome. Edited by Sandman on 23 October 2011 at 11:37am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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