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| Darklight1216 Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5101 days ago 411 posts - 639 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: German | Message 25 of 118 29 March 2013 at 9:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm not very familiar with all of these letters that everyone's referring to, so for me I'll say that I can speak French when I can understand the vast majority of what I hear (around 80%) and when my speech is close to normal speed and when my grammar and vocaulary improve a bit. Edited by Darklight1216 on 29 March 2013 at 9:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4368 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 26 of 118 29 March 2013 at 9:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think many language learners under-estimate their ability to speak and would pass higher CEFR levels than they think. The description of the levels is a bit daunting but the tests are not THAT difficult.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4708 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 27 of 118 29 March 2013 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Equally many overestimate though. I think self-assesment is a tricky thing which is why I tend to shy away from saying "I speak" or "I am fluent in". It sounds presumptuous. I prefer to always qualify which context we are talking about. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| casamata Senior Member Joined 4263 days ago 237 posts - 377 votes Studies: Portuguese | Message 28 of 118 29 March 2013 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry, but if you understand 80%, you miss a LOT. Let's make up a sentence with 20 words. I went to the store and bought milk with cream cheese that were on sale. What did you do today? If you miss "milk" and "sale", do you really understand the sentence? Well, no. You know that the person went to the store and bought things, but you don't know the details. I wouldn't call 80% comprehension to be "vast majority" but "majority." Vast majority should be like 95% comprehension... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Re ference_for_Languages Edited by casamata on 29 March 2013 at 4:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4637 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 29 of 118 29 March 2013 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I think Darklight was referring to 80% of, for example, a movie. Right? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 30 of 118 29 March 2013 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you are getting 80% of a message, it means that 20% of sentences have something you don't get, leading to a factual wordcount percentage of much higher than 80%. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4534 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 31 of 118 29 March 2013 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Getting 80% sounds like a lot, but if you actually look at how much you miss you'll find that you can barely understand anything. Even at 95% you are still missing a lot, because the words you tend to miss are the most important for the sentence. Remember the old adage: with just the word "The" you understand 40% of the Bible. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4534 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 32 of 118 29 March 2013 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Personally, I don't see much point in trying to divide the CEFR into B1-, B1, B1+ etc.
At it's most basic, A stands for beginner, B for intermediate, and C for advanced. Looking at the description of the different levels on the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Re ference_for_Languages#Theoretical_background I am either in upper B1 or perhaps lower B2 now for German, but who cares? I know that I am intermediate (i.e., I am neither a rank beginner, nor proficient). My goal is to get proficient, which I am slowly working towards, and proficiency for me will be defined functionally (can I participate in a conversation easily? can I read a more 'intellectual' newspaper without having to rely on dictionaries? can I get and hold down a job requiring German on a day-to-day basis?). In the German classes here in Berlin I see a lot of people caring a lot about what grade they can assign themselves, rather than how well they can speak/read. Edited by patrickwilken on 29 March 2013 at 7:34pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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