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| csidler Diglot Pro Member Australia chadsidler.com Joined 4824 days ago 51 posts - 59 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian, French Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 50 09 February 2013 at 12:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The Genitiv in German..
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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 10 of 50 09 February 2013 at 12:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
... is definitely NOT archaic! 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 50 09 February 2013 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Then the next most famous one, which unfortunately isn't naughty at all, must be the ubiquitous "ἐν τάξει", which allegedly also comes from Katharévousa 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| petteri Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4933 days ago 117 posts - 208 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: German, Spanish | Message 12 of 50 09 February 2013 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
That is an inaccurate advice. "Me mennään kotiin" can be used to give a stronger order. I could use it ie. when ordering a cranky child. Toddler: "Minä en lähde kotiin. En lähde! En!" Parent: "Me mennään kotiin." and unless that works, the parent drags the toddler home. When speaking tone and body expressions define the meaning of "Me mennään kotiin". Edited by petteri on 09 February 2013 at 12:30pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4560 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 13 of 50 09 February 2013 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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@Serpent
@Chung And if we take this a step further, there's also the optative mood, which is sometimes used jokingly in phrases like "Ollos hyvä", "Ällös huoli, kuoma hyvä" or "Tullos sisään" -- or at least I sometimes do, and I like to think I'm not the only one in the country who likes this sort of thing. Nevertheless, I don't doubt that most people would rate optatiivi as obsolete. For what it's worth, I personally find the first person plural imperative to be more archaic than the potential mood. The imperative mood, in general, is in wide use and a natural part of most everyone's spoken language, but the "tehkäämme" forms sound stiff to me even in formal writing. Potentiaali, on the other hand, is alive and well in the written language, but rarely used in speech save for the odd "lienee" here and there. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| csidler Diglot Pro Member Australia chadsidler.com Joined 4824 days ago 51 posts - 59 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian, French Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 50 09 February 2013 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
For some Genitiv prepositions it sort of is.. People these days are using the dativ with some genitiv prepositions. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4359 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 15 of 50 09 February 2013 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I never thought of that one, because we use it all the time. However you are right, it is the dative case we don't really use anymore. There are many phrases that are ancient or really old greek, that are still used today in colloquial speeh. ασυζητητί without question/discussion ατιμωρητί without punishment Εξ ιδίων τα αλλότρια judging by our own standards δευτέρα φύσις second nature Εξ ολοκλήρου entirely Εξ ονόματος in the name of... Εξ ορισμού by definition Εκ των ων ουκ άνευ sine qua non Πνέω τα λοίσθια about to die Αβρόχοις ποσί without effort (literally without wetting your feet) Επικεφαλής in charge My favourite one, έτερον εκάτερον. Two different things. Used when, in a conversation the other person tries to change the subject with false arguments, or attempts to change the conversation altogether with devious language. You say έτερον εκάτερον, and put them in their place at once. The list is endless. Edited by renaissancemedi on 09 February 2013 at 1:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4845 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 16 of 50 09 February 2013 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
And the genitive with some dative and accusative prepositions... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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